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Permalink Reply by Randy Shaw on May 9, 2009 at 11:11am REGRESSIONISTS;--; WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?
Childhood memories are fairytales constructed by your brain, expert claims
MOST of us have treasured memories of the events that shaped our lives as a child. Or do we? Controversial new research claims that those recollections may be as real as fairytales.
Leading psychologist Elizabeth Loftus, of the University of California, believes your memories are more likely to be dream-like reconstructions of stories told by your parents.
She argues no-one has a really clear collection of past events or experiences.
And when we think we are remembering, we are simply "rewriting" our memory to suit ourselves.
Her research claims that memory really does play tricks on you. She also insists that:
Few of us can easily remember more than six or seven numbers in a series - such as a telephone number.
Shopping lists should have the important items at the beginning or end, because the middle items tend to fade first.
A slight amount of stress heightens the memory, but too much causes temporary amnesia. Severe shock can bring about loss of memory.
Too much alcohol has a delayed action effect on the memory. And surprise, surprise, memory usually works well at the time you are drinking, but next day you may find you cannot recall events that happened during the session..
Loftus maintains human memory is unreliable and few of us observe events well when they happen.
We forget some facts and later substitute fiction for what we have forgotten.
The reason, she claims, is we tend to adjust our memories to suit our idea of ourselves and the world.
She asked volunteers to look at pictures of a black man with a hat and a white man with a razor.
Later, most observers clearly "remembered" the black man with the razor.
Loftus says that is because we prefer to recall events that are logically acceptable to us.
She adds: "Our biases, expectations and past knowledge are all used in the filling-in process, leading to distortions of what we remember."
Loftus also says that the belief we reveal all under hypnosis or truth drug is a myth.
She explains: "Far from dredging up actual experiences, hypnosis encourages a person to relax, to co-operate and to concentrate.
"In this way, a person may remember an event that never happened."
Her research shows people can lie convincingly under a truth drug and even invent stories which they think will please interrogators.
She maintains there is no evidence that perfect memories are stored by individuals..
In one study volunteers were asked to read descriptions of events that happened to them as children.
Unknown to them, one was fabricated - a shopping trip when they were five, in which they got lost and were rescued by an elderly person.
Later some participants talked about the event in detail, with self-assurance and emotion.
You could argue that these people might have genuinely lost their mum in a shop at some point during childhood.
But Loftus later carried out similar studies where the fake event was an attack by a vicious animal, or being responsible for knocking over a punch bowl at a family wedding and spilling it all over the bride. The results were the same.
Dr Jaime Quintanilla, professor of psychiatry at the Texas School of Medicine, agrees that our earliest memories are far from accurate, complete distortions and figments of our imagination.
He says: "It's a proven fact that young children take fragments of experience and build them into distorted memories.
"For example, one 40-year-old man remembers that his parents once punished him by refusing to buy him shoes.
"In fact, when he was three, he cut his foot on a piece of glass and developed a nasty infection.
"For two weeks, he was confined to the house in his socks so his wound would heal. When he wanted to go out, he was told he couldn't, because he had no shoes."
False memories don't always have to come from childhood either.
Experts at Portsmouth University found that, when asked leading questions, four in 10 people had false memories of the 7/7 London bombings.
They described in graphic detail non-existent CCTV footage of the explosion on the bus in Tavistock Square.
Dr James Ost, a psychologist at the university, said: "Memories are not like a videotape you can rewind and replay for perfect recall.
"Because of this, memory alone is not reliable enough to form the basis of legal decisions."
False memories are not always a bad thing though.
Scientists have been working on techniques to help people lose weight that include "planting" memories about certain foods.
Psychologists at St Andrews University found that in tests, volunteers were put off egg salad after it was falsely suggested it had made them ill as children.
They hope the technique could be used to help people lose weight by putting them off fatty foods like chips and cakes.
Dr Elke Geraerts, a lecturer at the university said: "We asked ourselves if false beliefs can be sufficiently strong to alter behaviour. The participants showed a distinct change in attitudes and behaviour towards this food, even some time afterwards.
"They avoided egg salad altogether a full four months after we made the simple suggestion.
"With obesity levels reaching epidemic proportions, we could use this type of suggestive therapy for influencing dieting choices.
"It may be possible for people to learn to avoid certain foods by believing they had negative experiences with the food as a child.
"We have clearly demonstrated that false suggestions about childhood events can profoundly change people's attitudes and behaviour in adulthood."
Permalink Reply by angela partoon on September 30, 2009 at 11:31am I think however the memory is stored, when an emotion or behaviour is no longer appropriate, our job is to go back to the times and places and redress the balance, the point is it's because of a "false" memory or inappropriately stored emotion that we do what we do. If we suggest something during the regression even accidentally, we are leading the client and could be creating a false memory. Doing it deliberately, is effectively, to my way of thinking a form of direct suggestion.
Pete
GIL BOYNE said:REGRESSIONISTS;--; WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?
Childhood memories are fairytales constructed by your brain, expert claims
MOST of us have treasured memories of the events that shaped our lives as a child. Or do we? Controversial new research claims that those recollections may be as real as fairytales.
Leading psychologist Elizabeth Loftus, of the University of California, believes your memories are more likely to be dream-like reconstructions of stories told by your parents.
She argues no-one has a really clear collection of past events or experiences.
And when we think we are remembering, we are simply "rewriting" our memory to suit ourselves.
Her research claims that memory really does play tricks on you. She also insists that:
Few of us can easily remember more than six or seven numbers in a series - such as a telephone number.
Shopping lists should have the important items at the beginning or end, because the middle items tend to fade first.
A slight amount of stress heightens the memory, but too much causes temporary amnesia. Severe shock can bring about loss of memory.
Too much alcohol has a delayed action effect on the memory. And surprise, surprise, memory usually works well at the time you are drinking, but next day you may find you cannot recall events that happened during the session..
Loftus maintains human memory is unreliable and few of us observe events well when they happen.
We forget some facts and later substitute fiction for what we have forgotten.
The reason, she claims, is we tend to adjust our memories to suit our idea of ourselves and the world.
She asked volunteers to look at pictures of a black man with a hat and a white man with a razor.
Later, most observers clearly "remembered" the black man with the razor.
Loftus says that is because we prefer to recall events that are logically acceptable to us.
She adds: "Our biases, expectations and past knowledge are all used in the filling-in process, leading to distortions of what we remember."
Loftus also says that the belief we reveal all under hypnosis or truth drug is a myth.
She explains: "Far from dredging up actual experiences, hypnosis encourages a person to relax, to co-operate and to concentrate.
"In this way, a person may remember an event that never happened."
Her research shows people can lie convincingly under a truth drug and even invent stories which they think will please interrogators.
She maintains there is no evidence that perfect memories are stored by individuals..
In one study volunteers were asked to read descriptions of events that happened to them as children.
Unknown to them, one was fabricated - a shopping trip when they were five, in which they got lost and were rescued by an elderly person.
Later some participants talked about the event in detail, with self-assurance and emotion.
You could argue that these people might have genuinely lost their mum in a shop at some point during childhood.
But Loftus later carried out similar studies where the fake event was an attack by a vicious animal, or being responsible for knocking over a punch bowl at a family wedding and spilling it all over the bride. The results were the same.
Dr Jaime Quintanilla, professor of psychiatry at the Texas School of Medicine, agrees that our earliest memories are far from accurate, complete distortions and figments of our imagination.
He says: "It's a proven fact that young children take fragments of experience and build them into distorted memories.
"For example, one 40-year-old man remembers that his parents once punished him by refusing to buy him shoes.
"In fact, when he was three, he cut his foot on a piece of glass and developed a nasty infection.
"For two weeks, he was confined to the house in his socks so his wound would heal. When he wanted to go out, he was told he couldn't, because he had no shoes."
False memories don't always have to come from childhood either.
Experts at Portsmouth University found that, when asked leading questions, four in 10 people had false memories of the 7/7 London bombings.
They described in graphic detail non-existent CCTV footage of the explosion on the bus in Tavistock Square.
Dr James Ost, a psychologist at the university, said: "Memories are not like a videotape you can rewind and replay for perfect recall.
"Because of this, memory alone is not reliable enough to form the basis of legal decisions."
False memories are not always a bad thing though.
Scientists have been working on techniques to help people lose weight that include "planting" memories about certain foods.
Psychologists at St Andrews University found that in tests, volunteers were put off egg salad after it was falsely suggested it had made them ill as children.
They hope the technique could be used to help people lose weight by putting them off fatty foods like chips and cakes.
Dr Elke Geraerts, a lecturer at the university said: "We asked ourselves if false beliefs can be sufficiently strong to alter behaviour. The participants showed a distinct change in attitudes and behaviour towards this food, even some time afterwards.
"They avoided egg salad altogether a full four months after we made the simple suggestion.
"With obesity levels reaching epidemic proportions, we could use this type of suggestive therapy for influencing dieting choices.
"It may be possible for people to learn to avoid certain foods by believing they had negative experiences with the food as a child.
"We have clearly demonstrated that false suggestions about childhood events can profoundly change people's attitudes and behaviour in adulthood."
Hi Ian,
Your question:
When you do regression work, do you aim to get the client into somnambulism so that it is true age regression or Are you OK with lighter state of hypnosis which will only produce revivication ?
The way you worded your question “only produce revivification” sounds like you’ve been trained with a specific system. That is good to get started, but all systems are improvable and will never hold up in all client situations. Knowing a whole tool box of methods proves to be the most effective in helping clients since each human being is so individual and needs specific attention.
Revivification is the perfect way to get the process started, since revivify means to re-experience something in vividness. I use the client’s own emotion to get the process started and have not needed formal inductions for years. The only "formal" thing I occassionally use is a hand drop to get even more compliance, within the specific feeling we are utilizing to regress into. The feeling takes us into "true regression" not the induction.
I know most schools teach that we must reach somnambulism and require certain markers to let the hypnotist know the client is in the state of somnambulism, but after doing thousands of regressions here is what I know:
the most important thing to acquire in regression work is compliance between the conscious and subconscious mind, meaning, that when I ask the client’s subconscious mind to take us to a scene, experience or relationship that lets us know where the bad feeling (of the symptom/problem) comes from, and when they report for example: "daytime, I’m inside the kitchen and mom is yelling at me," and the client’s body and voice let me know THEY ARE THERE, that is the most important thing, not whether someone arbitrarily labels the induction as somnambulism or revivification or hitting them over the head with a brick :-)
It does not matter what steps I used to help them GET THERE, where the resolution and healing work can be accomplished, it only matters that I do GET THEM THERE, and with experience we learn what to use and what to let go of from trainings, certifications and so on.
The first time I saw a healing regression the hypnotist used only strong emotion and the client regressed back into a trauma so fast I had to watch it over and over to understand what happened. He did not use the Elman or any kind of formal induction and did not need to test in any way or use convincers. I was astounded that such regression was available so quickly because I had been taught that the Elman induction or something like it, with convincers was needed to get the client into enough bypass to facilitate as you call it above... true regression.
Don't let somnambulism stop you from helping someone make healing changes. It is not the method but what we can do to improve and provide real results, because the results are what we're looking for, not compliance to this or that structured system.
Cheers,
Randy Shaw
Permalink Reply by docregal.com on December 27, 2011 at 9:15am When discussing memory, in order to make sense of this topic, I think it is important to take note that we have two primary perspectives and distinguish them. First we must consider what is the objective reporting, i.e. who was involved, what actually happened, when did this event occur and where did it take place. Then, second, we must regard as opinion all subjective reporting regarding how it happened and why. When SSEs are involved we get additional ways to verify and confirm the reported facts, i.e. how often: frequency, to what extent: intensity and how much: depth.
Permalink Reply by Susan French on December 27, 2011 at 12:15pm In my own studies of neuroscience plus mind (any of the consciousness) plus whatever else I had read that it is estimated that in the filtering process we only store about 20% of actual memory. What we then 'remember' is filled in by all the perceptions/beliefs/etc, etc. we call experience.
I wish I could remember where I read it. It might have been in Trevor Silvester's Wordweaving works. It was such an interesting piece of information.
Without meaning to cause animosity, I've had a lot of difficulty with regression (as I was taught it). I've had many clients experience really miserable (and scary) aftereffects. Though I believe that there are some powerful techniques having to do with what we call 'regression,' I've become too afraid to use it.
There is a super, excellent book entitled "In An Unspoken Voice, How the Body Releases Trauma and Restores Goodness" by Peter A. Levine, PhD (a real PhD with two doctorates from major university's), a professor at the Boston University School of Medicine. He has a broad background in brain research, the science of stress, and researcher in naturalistic animal study.
In this work he suggests that when we have trauma and we can't go through the body's normal stress responses (adrenaline release, shaking, sweating, all of those responses) at the time, we end up with PTSD or some form of 'stuck' traumatic reactions. If you're interested in regression, I suggest you take a look at his book. I think it suggests an important physiological component that most mental health practitioners are unaware of.
I have a feeling that the work has more to do with feeling (emotion and sensation) than it does with the associated events. Maybe this idea is generally accepted, but there is something between the feeling, emotional associations and the physiology that is still to be pieced together.
I have never been comfortable with the suggested forms of "release" and have always felt that they often miss the real point, which I think has yet to be understood and identified.
I look forward to your work, Randy and to see what your thoughts are, and perhaps insights you've had in your years of experience.
As I've said, I think that there is a treasure-trove of therapeutic work in the study of regression but for me, the client reactions are too unpredictable. Also, I keep feeling that there is a core understanding that we're all missing. I havent' thought about regression for a long time bc I just get frustrated but I really want to hear your findings.
Susan
Permalink Reply by Randy Shaw on December 30, 2011 at 5:32pm Hi Susan,
Susan, I'm sorry you've had a lot of difficulty with regression ("as you have been taught"), with many clients experiencing miserable aftereffects. That is NO fun for sure for anyone involved. I have had a few difficult sessions myself, but even with the worst of those client situations, I knew - because I have experienced so many releases myself (personal experiences of success), and with almost a thousand clients - that I had to continue to help the client release the feeling or they would be traumatized.
Releasing in those intense moments is what finally *untraumatizes* them, releases the energy out of the body (and the body says THANK YOU) and as the feelings release and change, the client's reaction and perceptions change- for the better. That last point is the crucial key to understand.
I look at this process as UNhypnotizing them in those events. The feelings from those events cause the damage, not the facts/history. Once the feelings are released the client's mind now can think of them and NOT be traumatized any more, learn and grow stronger. This happens in increments, not in one shot. It's the ongoing and continued releasing in increments that gets the table wiped clean. But it is accomplished one step at a time, with some steps being more productive, but all steps accumulating relief and improvement.
Yes it takes confidence to do this, but it's from more than faith, it's from experiences of success that always remind me to help the client release to get UNBELIEVABLE relief, and shifts of improvement about the issue.
The KEY is to know how the SM works, and it's more about the nervous system and energy than about clever or fancy hypnotic techniques. Next most important is the Pretalk and some practicing to set up success, long before any regression is attempted.
As to Levine's book- I agree, in some situations were not able to release the energy/feelings/emotions at the time of the event/s and that energy can stay in the body in the form of what is called a standing wave. A standing wave is energy that is generated and stored and is not released until something physically helps it move and release. A common battery is a great example of a standing wave. Once we put a battery in our phone and turn on the phone then the electricity is released into the circuits of the phone's machinery.
I have seen this countless times, where the feeling energy from past events are coming up to be released but the SM clamps down to prevent the release, because the SM does not yet know any better. It actually believes that it is supposed to shut the release down- to protect the person.
I help retrain the SM to allow it, show it with proof, that a new way is MUCH better. Getting 3 to 5 releases has literally changed many of my clients lives. We have more to do of course, but once one "Gets It" that it's okay to feel and release feelings, their life got a whole lot more enjoyable.
Back to releasing/ Susan, my goal is to help release the feelings that are stuck/stored in the body which were and are *directly connected* to the event/s. Once the fear is released from fear of dogs in recent experiences, then with that TANGIBLE relief (proof), the conscious mind, the SM and the body are now more comfortable releasing other feelings from past events that have been compounded. This layer by layer approach leads us to the first event/s, the ISE to finally release those feelings until the client can recall it and no longer feel the fear, or be retraumatized.
My goal is to release the feelings about thought C, until the client can think of thought C feeling calm. Then move backward in time to thought/experience/memory B, and with enough releasing B no longer is a problem, and back to A to really get healing changes, being a quantum change of perception and reaction at the Subconscious level.
Got to get going, Take care,
Randy
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