How to suggest to forget given suggestions during the session?

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Permalink Reply by Samuel Lurie on August 25, 2010 at 3:19am

I guess you can just say "remember to forget, or forget to remember any of the suggestions from our time together" but why would you want to do this? Just don't make the suggestions. Is there some kind of reason you want to negate suggestion work? Are you trying to be manipulative with the client to "prove" something? And if you are successful, then who would be able to believe whatever it is you want to "prove."?

Permalink Reply by John Cressman on August 25, 2010 at 4:16am

I understand why I like to do this in my comedy shows... creating amnesia is one more aspect of the the show and a convincer for the participants... plus, we want to get rid of any suggestions from any routines.

But why would you want to do that in a clinical situation?

Permalink Reply by Amik on August 25, 2010 at 5:16am

Thanks friends for your replies!

I am not a full time Hypnotherapist & still study hypnosis & it's usage although I am a certified hypnotherapist!
I am very successful in much things in hypnosis. But I am not successful at post hypnotic amnesia!

If I need to be a professional hypnotherapist I must learn everything & I must have experience for all situations! For Now, I am doing hypnotherapy for free because I get free experience on them.

Samuel I will try "remember to forget, or forget to remember any of the suggestions from our time together"

Thanks for both of your replies!
Is there any other script I can use for post-hypnotic amnesia?

Thanks & nice day!

Permalink Reply by Samuel Lurie on August 25, 2010 at 5:27am

But John and I are both saying that, if using hypnosis therapeutically, we can't see why you would want to suggest forgetting suggestions! The whole point is to find suggestions that are beneficial and to reinforce them, suggesting that they "recall, remember, retain all beneficial suggestions or insights from this session." We're a little confused what you are hoping to do with "post-hypnotic anesthesia."

Best,
S


A.Rasanga said:

Thanks friends for your replies!

I am not a full time Hypnotherapist & still study hypnosis & it's usage although I am a certified hypnotherapist!
I am very successful in much things in hypnosis. But I am not successful at post hypnotic amnesia!

If I need to be a professional hypnotherapist I must learn everything & I must have experience for all situations! For Now, I am doing hypnotherapy for free because I get free experience on them.

Samuel I will try "remember to forget, or forget to remember any of the suggestions from our time together"

Thanks for both of your replies!
Is there any other script I can use for post-hypnotic amnesia?

Thanks & nice day!

Permalink Reply by Kelley Woods on August 25, 2010 at 5:36am

I do often suggest, as has been suggested here, to my weightloss clients that they "forget to remember food, unless they are planning or preparing a delicious and nutritious meal". This is an effective technique to facilitate re-directing a person's focus and attention away from negative, obsessive or self-limiting thoughts and toward more positive ones, without falling into the "don't think about" trap.

You can apply it to many aspects: "forget to remember your discomfort as you notice how warm and heavy your legs feel", "remember to forget your self-doubts as you continue to become more and more independent, more and more confident of your strengths and abilities..."

But, as stated above, you see that it is the positive and enhancing suggestions that are desirable to keep!

Best wishes,

Kelley

Permalink Reply by Amik on August 25, 2010 at 6:18am

Hi,

I think, You have misunderstand the reason! I do not wanna forget any suggestion in therapy! As I mentioned before I need to know everything in hypnosis in common! Clinical, stage or comedy, conversational or Forensic.

Because I am after the knowledge so I can not ignore the post-hypnotic amnesia! I failed at it before & I think That is a defect of my hypnosis knowledge! That is why I need to know it! And if I need to go for forensic hypnosis this is essential!

This is not intends that I am going to use it on my clinical subjects! I think now confusion has gone?

Permalink Reply by Amik on August 25, 2010 at 7:31am

Hi,

I am sorry! I think you have misunderstand the word "session" Right? I am so sorry about it, My English is not so good! I meant a session as a time in hypnosis!

Thanks & Regards!

Permalink Reply by Ron Thompson on August 25, 2010 at 7:42am

Here is my twp cents on this
I understand you want to learn the post-hypnotic amnesia! and this is a good thing .
However as you can see from those that do practise professional Hypnotherapy, there is no reason to use it in a clinical practice IE.. You will forget the suggestions I have made.
So if you’re going to use it in a stage setting this is about the only place you would. I would practice on my sister or brother or mother but stay away from clients even if you’re doing it for free as you may end up having them forget something that is important to them . Good luck
PS.. Oh Forget it , I forgot what I was going to say LOL

A.Rasanga said:

Hi,

I think, You have misunderstand the reason! I do not wanna forget any suggestion in therapy! As I mentioned before I need to know everything in hypnosis in common! Clinical, stage or comedy, conversational or Forensic.

Because I am after the knowledge so I can not ignore the post-hypnotic amnesia! I failed at it before & I think That is a defect of my hypnosis knowledge! That is why I need to know it! And if I need to go for forensic hypnosis this is essential!

This is not intends that I am going to use it on my clinical subjects! I think now confusion has gone?

Permalink Reply by AJ on August 25, 2010 at 10:52am

To all who are truly interested in learning more about Hypnotherapy, you can continue beyond the basics here: The Handbook of Hypnotic Phenomena in Psychology by Edgette and Edgette

Permalink Reply by Amik on August 25, 2010 at 6:19pm

Thanks Doc, This book explain much about Amnesia & it's usage in Clinical Situation! THIS BOOK NICELY GIVES EXAMPLES OF AMNESIA USAGE OF THERAPY!

Thanks again!

Doc Regal said:

To all who are truly interested in learning more about Hypnotherapy, you can continue beyond the basics here: The Handbook of Hypnotic Phenomena in Psychology by Edgette and Edgette

Permalink Reply by Erich Reitinger on August 25, 2010 at 9:41pm

In Dave Elmans book "Hypnotherapy" he describes the "natural amnesia" that comes with the deepest and not so well known state of "hypnosis related to sleep". It has not to be obtained, it is a feature of this state.
If You want to experiment with this feature, You have to have a sleeping person.
There is more in the book, if You are interested, send me an email.

Permalink Reply by Anthony Jacquin on August 26, 2010 at 12:06am

Hi,

I have a few ideas for you.

Firstly as it has been pointed out sometimes amnesia is spontaneous. My experience is that this is not a given (even on stage) and therefore I take McGill's advice 'If you want amnesia insist upon it'.

Because many hypnotherapists do not actually test their work i.e give a suggestion and see if it takes, giving suggestions for amnesia is often something they are equally uncomfortable with, as if the amnesia does not take it may expose their lack of testing of hypnosis overall and therefore undermine their results. This is of course true - it will :)

So if you are not someone who tests their work, I suggest that testing for amnesia is not for you.

However I will assume you are someone who does test their work. To get amnesia you have many options. My approach is normally to use all of them.

Firstly in your pre talk you can suggest that amnesia for some or all of the session will be their experience. This will align their expectation with the suggestions they will get later.

During the session you can create a symmetry so that the most direct stuff as well as some suggestions for amnesia are buried in the middle. For example if you use metaphor and parts then split your metaphor and break the parts work in two and jam the direct stuff in the middle. This seems to aid amnesia for what goes on in the middle. I would back it up with more amnesia suggestion just prior to the wake up.

You can of course directly suggest amnesia - 'When I count to 5 and you return to the room you will not be able to remember the details of what has been said. It will be gone fogotten and the harder you try to recall the details the more distant they will become'. - You can get verification for this with a signal or head nod.

You can be indirect with anaology - It may be interesting to know that while thoughts have drifted through your mind and some are remembered at first or seem to be then become more distant...just like a dream you may have had once that you wanted to talk about and the harder you tried to find the details the more distant etc.....

You can use metaphor.

You can ensure that your wake up is in a different gear to your session so that it creates light and shade between where they have been and where they are now. This ties in with ideas about state encoded memory. If you emerge them in the same relaxo state they were in during the session recall is easier. Jar them a mile away from that experience with the wake up and it gets harder.

Finally you can ask a distraction question once they wake up. This discourages them from immediately going over the session and seems to make it harder to find details. 'Nice shoes, where did you get them?/ You are not too warm are you? Is that your cup?'

All of the above said if you test your work and they are responding to direct suggestion, just suggest it in a direct fashion, with the same tone of voice you maight use to say 'tomorrow the sun will come up'. Make it a statement of fact.

Hope that helps.

Anthony
www.headhacking.com

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