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I HAD AN EPIPHANY ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF SUGGESTIONS
Hi everyone,
I've been so puzzled as to how I could be practicing for 10 years and not really understand the structure of suggestions and how they fit in a script. I can write scripts off the top of my head and on paper but only by feel and intuition. That has been bugging me mightily.
As a result of learning John Cleesatel's ideas on the nature of trance from his ebook I suddenly realised why the logic of suggestions escaped me.
This is just an idea in progress. Feel free to add, postulate or question.
Just please don't tell me that there doesn't have to be order to suggestions or that there doesn't need to be any logical understanding of the nature of suggestions.
Why??? Because if there wasn't any need, I wouldn't be asking.
Here goes: I went back to all of my books with the idea of analyzing what was there and seeing if I could see patterns or connections.
This was my ephiphony. In reading the scripts from all my books I realized that each "piece" or "unit" in the scripts was kind of similar to John's macro idea in his The Nature of Trance. Each "piece" or "unit" is like a representation in NLP.
When in pain, for instance, we tell the client to create a representation of the pain and then we suggest ideas to apply to THAT REPRESENTATION (i.e., unit, grouping of ideas that become a "whole".) The ideas to apply would be like make it smaller, let it fade, erase it, put it in the past, etc.
What I think I figured out about suggestions is that if we view them as "representations," "units," "entitites", "gestalt"...you do the same thing in trance.
I found in testing that calling each representation "X = " (or whatever) it really seemed to work well.
By "X = " I mean think in terms of algebra. "X" represents anything you decide it is.
For instance, you can decide that X="behavior you don't like" or X="go back to an goal you accomplished that made you feel empowered" or X="part that doesn't want to" or X="part that wants to or X="the event that started this feeling that you don't like or even X="the feeling you don't like," X="the future you would like to have" and so on.
When I looked at the scripts in that way, they suddenly became manageable to me. Try it and tell me what you guys think.
So, I guess you could say a script formula might be X="the behavior you don't like + Y=the benefits of the behavior you would like to keep + Z=the behavior you would like to have + A= the feelings you've had when you've had a success = the kind of lanuage (symbolic) that the SCM understands which results in change.
Here I'm fuzzy again as to the 3 minds John's idea encompasses, so I'll have to refer back to John.
Tell me how this works for you guys, especially those of you who, like me, don't feel comfortabled blathering on with no real purpose and hoping that it works.
Susan
I've been so puzzled as to how I could be practicing for 10 years and not really understand the structure of suggestions and how they fit in a script. I can write scripts off the top of my head and on paper but only by feel and intuition. That has been bugging me mightily.
As a result of learning John Cleesatel's ideas on the nature of trance from his ebook I suddenly realised why the logic of suggestions escaped me.
This is just an idea in progress. Feel free to add, postulate or question.
Just please don't tell me that there doesn't have to be order to suggestions or that there doesn't need to be any logical understanding of the nature of suggestions.
Why??? Because if there wasn't any need, I wouldn't be asking.
Here goes: I went back to all of my books with the idea of analyzing what was there and seeing if I could see patterns or connections.
This was my ephiphony. In reading the scripts from all my books I realized that each "piece" or "unit" in the scripts was kind of similar to John's macro idea in his The Nature of Trance. Each "piece" or "unit" is like a representation in NLP.
When in pain, for instance, we tell the client to create a representation of the pain and then we suggest ideas to apply to THAT REPRESENTATION (i.e., unit, grouping of ideas that become a "whole".) The ideas to apply would be like make it smaller, let it fade, erase it, put it in the past, etc.
What I think I figured out about suggestions is that if we view them as "representations," "units," "entitites", "gestalt"...you do the same thing in trance.
I found in testing that calling each representation "X = " (or whatever) it really seemed to work well.
By "X = " I mean think in terms of algebra. "X" represents anything you decide it is.
For instance, you can decide that X="behavior you don't like" or X="go back to an goal you accomplished that made you feel empowered" or X="part that doesn't want to" or X="part that wants to or X="the event that started this feeling that you don't like or even X="the feeling you don't like," X="the future you would like to have" and so on.
When I looked at the scripts in that way, they suddenly became manageable to me. Try it and tell me what you guys think.
So, I guess you could say a script formula might be X="the behavior you don't like + Y=the benefits of the behavior you would like to keep + Z=the behavior you would like to have + A= the feelings you've had when you've had a success = the kind of lanuage (symbolic) that the SCM understands which results in change.
Here I'm fuzzy again as to the 3 minds John's idea encompasses, so I'll have to refer back to John.
Tell me how this works for you guys, especially those of you who, like me, don't feel comfortabled blathering on with no real purpose and hoping that it works.
Susan
Tags: direct, hypnotic, script, scripts, structure, suggestions
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Permalink Reply by Susan French on -
Thank you Donna.
Now do you see why I throw out into the public arena...lol?
Glad it's helpful -
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Permalink Reply by Michael Ellner on -
Hi Susan and Donna,
I really like Susan's formula--
Consider this -- Once you realx into "The Formula" -- Scripts become completely un-ncessary-
Your intake/pretalk allows you to test the formula as you are eliciting all of the necessary information to make it fly and and if it seems reasonable and believable to the client - - Just guiding them through a conventional hypnotic or NLP ritual that follows the formula that your client has agreed would help them achieve their goal is likely to be very effective...
When in pain, for instance, we tell the client to create a representation of the pain and then we suggest ideas to apply to THAT REPRESENTATION (i.e., unit, grouping of ideas that become a "whole".) The ideas to apply would be like make it smaller, let it fade, erase it, put it in the past, etc.
My understanding/model of the effectiveness and inner-workings of changing representational systems is that when a client is focused on pain they are having a sensory experience and when we ask them to change gears and do something with the sensation we are helping them shift from a sensory to a cognitive experience which automatically lowers their awareness of their sensory experiences because they are preoccupied by the cognitve experience...
Once clients discover that they can focus their attention away from the pain -- they start to develop a sense of control and experience a better qualitiy of life...
I hope this is pleasurable and satisfying... -
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Permalink Reply by Susan French on
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Any post from you, Michael, is pleasurable and satisfying.
Susan -
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Permalink Reply by Susan French on
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Wow, thanks Conrad. I can see that I really need to go deeper into NLP. Thanks so much for the ideas and suggestions.
Susan -
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Permalink Reply by Mike Reeves-McMillan on -
Computer metaphors are something to use cautiously around minds, but here is one, take it for what it's worth.
Our clients are in effect running an "operating system" over the top of the actual deep functioning of their brains. They can't directly make different parts of their brains speed up or slow down or change their response to neurochemicals, any more than you or I can directly change the contents of the database on the server at HypnoThoughts. Yet when we post through this handy little browser interface, we are in fact changing that database, whether we realize it or not. There may be multiple layers of translation in each case (mind or computer), but manipulating one thing - the symbol - leads to manipulating the deeper, underlying thing that it represents. -
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Permalink Reply by Mark Liebenthal on -
Hi Susan
I realize it's months after your post, but you will get great information from David Mason's website at www.hypknowsis.com
He goes into a lot of detail about script composition. -
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Permalink Reply by Susan French on
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Thank you so much Mark for taking the trouble to answer. I'll take a look. I have since found a wonderful resource that I'm absorbing, Wordweaving 1 and 2 by Trevor Silvester but I'm grateful for the link.
Susan
Mark Liebenthal said:Hi Susan
I realize it's months after your post, but you will get great information from David Mason's website at www.hypknowsis.com
He goes into a lot of detail about script composition. -
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Permalink Reply by Al Whitton on -
my head hurts!
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Permalink Reply by Antoine Pruyssers on -
I think it would be a good idea for you, to look into NLP.
NLP is a very structured way of talking to someone's unconcious, and gives a huge advantage when using hypnosis in a therapeutic setting.
The formula for using suggestions, and in what structure, depends on what you want to achieve and the kind of person you are hypnotising.
To be frank, (I'd have to change my name) I also do everything intuitive, but know my unconcious did incorporate the structures in the most effective way.
If you want to write about writing scripts, then it would be an other matter, but why change what you are doing now, if it already works great. -
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Permalink Reply by Tanya Pillay on -
I've been calling it The Thing. The Thing you want to change. That Thing you feel when xyz.
Yes, Frank-Antoine, intuitive. Yes, NLP...and operating system.
You folks are fun and smart.
I love hypnotists :-) -
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