The Dark side manual. Here you can read the suicide script and other patterns.

Kenrick Cleveland wrote the book "The Dark Side Manual".

Andvanced Modeling Strategies.

Smurfing - Use on someone uyou want to make go away. Simply imagine them shrinking until they are very small, becoming so cold they turn blue.

Submodality patterns.
No longer true.
-Put someone's self esteem or self concept in the no longer ture position.
-Put someone's relationship in the no longer true but used to be location.

This is done by using beliefs that are either presented by the subject or that you find yourself, this is pretty evil stuff.

Additional Nasty submodality Patterns, (the funny thing here is that he has written "Do not use" besides this.
Compulsion installer: Elicit the submodality of a compulsion that a person has. Then install more using the same submodalities. You can swish in things very close, very bright and leave them there.

Now this one is really nasty.

Drug addiction: Elicit the submodalities of a time a person did drugs. Get them fully assosiated into the state. Future pace being reminded of this nice state and link that to a compulsion.

Ambiguty patterns. (again the author has written "Very dangerous - DO NOT USE".)

I will only take small parts of this for copyright reason and that this really should'nt be available, this one is called "The sucide pattern"

"I don't know what's been going on inside your head lately. (Name). Prehaps you need to do some introspection. Prehaps you need to look deep down inside yourself........ *cut* Yeah (name). Take your own life.. and examin it." It goes on with other embedded commands as "out of a life" "this is all" and so on.

The book also contains a paranoia pattern.

The last one is called "The grand daddy of them all". ""The values destroyer."

1. Ask the question: "Whats something thats no longer true, but used to be?" Anchor their state when they blank out thinking that question.
2. Elicit the persons value for life - such as love, money, power, knowledge etc.
3. Name their values while firing the anchor.

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Permalink Reply by Antonio on December 17, 2009 at 2:13pm

This thing is a joke in my opinion.

Permalink Reply by Colin O'Shaughnessy on December 30, 2009 at 1:21pm

I got a hold of it. It's a good read, and teaches some good techniques to use and to be aware of to protect yourself and others.

Permalink Reply by psi on September 23, 2010 at 4:40am

Agreed....if they effectively work for the positive...then why not negative purposes? An open mind is a beautiful....yet dangerous place for some.

JoeK said:

Scott,

I have the greatest respect for you as a hypnotist and I wonder why you seem to assume that these techniques or others similar to them would not work? Does the universe have some anti-bad-things detector built into it to prevent this from working?

Hypnosis and NLP are very powerful tools, why would they not be possible to misuse?

Joe

Permalink Reply by littleSHIN on January 9, 2011 at 7:17am

i agree with Michael. if you can change bevavioural patterns and habits for good, you can make them worse too.

"kill yourself, now." won't work probably.

but here is a little hypothetical mind game:

imagine me going to a therapist. he/she tells me that noone can harm you with hypnosis, since they can't do anything that goes against your will.

my first question is: "how do you know that? did you try?"

possible answer a) "no, i didn't try." - well, in that case he can't be sure.

possible answer b) "yes, i tried and it didn't work."

answer b) is a tricky one. because it suggests that the therapist consciously risked harming someone in order to try if harming someone with hypnosis works or not. would you trust such a person? ;)

i'm just sayin' ...

hugs&kisses,

little Shin

Michael said:

So can you make someone do something that is against their will, yes, if they think it's in their best interest to do so.

- Michael

Permalink Reply by Kellen Marson on November 9, 2011 at 2:40am

There has been little activity in this forum on the "dark side" of NLP. I figured I would add my two sense to this. I have been using and studying NLP for almost 10 years. Yes, although I use NLP for the good, I have always been interested in the dark side of it. As scott stated, there have been no documented cases of anything harmful ever happening.

The truth is, althought there may not be documented cases on it being harmful, we forget, that at some point in time we all use "dark side" NLP. Many sucicide cases are a result of human conditioning. Someone is in a hypersuggestible state, there mad, angry, depressed and considering suicide. Imagine if you will, what happens when someone says, kill yourself, or some other mean comments that intesify the state. It results in creating a worse case of depression or even the individual carrying through with suicide.

Those questioning whether embaded commands work. Someone metioned that you can't make any do anything against there will in hypnosis. Although this true, hypnosis is a direct approach. You're giving a direct suggestion to someone to make a change. This makes it easy for someone to reject the notion. However, NLP is ALL ABOUT, being indirect. In other words, suggestion are so indirectly given, that at times the subconscious mind, can't even do a value or belief check. They just have to accept the suggestion.

If you're questioning whether these techniques work, study and then study some more. Understand how eliciting states can create powerful changes. NLP is used by the CIA, FBI, military training, etc to manipulate individuals and it has worked beautifully. The secret is to understand how it works. Looking up the suicide pattern on the interent and saying it to someone isn't going to do crap. This is what so many people believe. You can just say a language pattern and it works.

If you want a sucide pattern to be succesful, you must elicit a depressive state first. Get the person living in the moment. Then you will follow suit with a pattern. After anchoring that elliciate state to you, every time that person sees you they get that depressive feeling, and then just come up with new and unique ways to used embeded sucide suggestions.

No one will ever know documented cases of dark side NLP because there just that cover and darkside. And no one will ever admit to using them.