instant induction question

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Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on April 21, 2010 at 9:37pm

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/video/how-to-do-an-instant-hypnosis

Pretalk it's the start of mastering the trance work
and slowly you get the touch to feel and know your limits and talents
good luck to us all
Yosef

Permalink Reply by Carrol McHenry Jr on April 22, 2010 at 3:28am

Hopefully you are talking about hypnosis and not just trying to induce while talking about... sports or something. During the "pretalk" I just ask a few simple questions, " Have you ever been hypnotized before?" What do you think it will feel like?? How will you know you have been hypnotized?" All three presuppose hypnosis will occur and the last two require them to basically self induce to answer, so the person is ready when I ask for permission. Other than that, you need to be confident it will happen because if you don't believe, they won't believe.

Permalink Reply by Michael Mayo on April 22, 2010 at 7:32pm

Yes, more specifically hypnotherapy. I am spending to much time during the induction. I want to speed things up, and spend more quality time with my client. I think you hit the nail on the head. My confidence level concerning instant inductions is not where it should be. I know I can do it. I tend to avoid the instant inductions and stick with what I know. The Elman, and other variations of it. I have done instant inductions, but only after knowing that I had already hypnotized them using other methods. Perhaps I am putting to much emphasis on it. I guess I just need to do it and not worry about details as much.
thanks for youre comments

C D McHenry said:

Hopefully you are talking about hypnosis and not just trying to induce while talking about... sports or something. During the "pretalk" I just ask a few simple questions, " Have you ever been hypnotized before?" What do you think it will feel like?? How will you know you have been hypnotized?" All three presuppose hypnosis will occur and the last two require them to basically self induce to answer, so the person is ready when I ask for permission. Other than that, you need to be confident it will happen because if you don't believe, they won't believe.

Permalink Reply by Michael Mayo on April 22, 2010 at 7:38pm

I think that my pretalk is fair, I have a good sucess rate most of the time. Its those analytical subjects that stump me. I get discouraged when I cant get them to go under. Over all I am sure that my cofidence is to blame, Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Leshem Yosef said:

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/video/how-to-do-an-instant-hypnosis

Pretalk it's the start of mastering the trance work
and slowly you get the touch to feel and know your limits and talents
good luck to us all
Yosef

Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on April 23, 2010 at 5:22am

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/video/hypnosis-secrets-how-to
more from Nathan Thomas : How To Hypnotize Difficult And Resistant People

Michael Mayo said:

I think that my pretalk is fair, I have a good sucess rate most of the time. Its those analytical subjects that stump me. I get discouraged when I cant get them to go under. Over all I am sure that my cofidence is to blame, Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

Leshem Yosef said:

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/video/how-to-do-an-instant-hypnosis

Pretalk it's the start of mastering the trance work
and slowly you get the touch to feel and know your limits and talents
good luck to us all
Yosef

Permalink Reply by Carrol McHenry Jr on April 27, 2010 at 3:19am

Michael Mayo said:

Yes, more specifically hypnotherapy. I am spending to much time during the induction. I want to speed things up, and spend more quality time with my client. I think you hit the nail on the head. My confidence level concerning instant inductions is not where it should be. I know I can do it. I tend to avoid the instant inductions and stick with what I know. The Elman, and other variations of it. I have done instant inductions, but only after knowing that I had already hypnotized them using other methods. Perhaps I am putting to much emphasis on it. I guess I just need to do it and not worry about details as much.
thanks for youre comments

C D McHenry said:

Hopefully you are talking about hypnosis and not just trying to induce while talking about... sports or something. During the "pretalk" I just ask a few simple questions, " Have you ever been hypnotized before?" What do you think it will feel like?? How will you know you have been hypnotized?" All three presuppose hypnosis will occur and the last two require them to basically self induce to answer, so the person is ready when I ask for permission. Other than that, you need to be confident it will happen because if you don't believe, they won't believe.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about in the Mall or on the street, not a hypnotherapy situation.

Confidence is key and you seem confident enough to use them as re inductions, so obviously you know they work....
maybe if you started looking at the pretalk as sort of a "soft" induction. I think of my pretalk as a mildly hypnotic induction, it opens the door, puts them in a mild trance and the rapid induction is really more of a rapid deepener. I guess that's why I like the "tense and relax" types of rapid inductions because they double as deepeners. I see the "instant" inductions as more of a confusion style, they work because you combine several of Tebbett's induction types... confusion,shock, off balance and eye fixation.

As long as you can explain how they work to yourself in a way that makes you truly believe they work, then you will have confidence that they will work.

imho

Permalink Reply by Michael Mayo on April 27, 2010 at 6:48pm

Hi CD. Yes, I was refering to a street hypnosis scenario, I have never done that. I am nervous about instant inductions on the street. I would like to know how you and others approach people on the street and deliver the pre-talk before doing the instant induction. In therapy sessions I have no problem. I know they are already suggestible and if they arent deep enough I can use that technique, or other deepening methods. Thanks for your help. Michael

C D McHenry said:

Michael Mayo said:

Yes, more specifically hypnotherapy. I am spending to much time during the induction. I want to speed things up, and spend more quality time with my client. I think you hit the nail on the head. My confidence level concerning instant inductions is not where it should be. I know I can do it. I tend to avoid the instant inductions and stick with what I know. The Elman, and other variations of it. I have done instant inductions, but only after knowing that I had already hypnotized them using other methods. Perhaps I am putting to much emphasis on it. I guess I just need to do it and not worry about details as much.
thanks for youre comments

C D McHenry said:

Hopefully you are talking about hypnosis and not just trying to induce while talking about... sports or something. During the "pretalk" I just ask a few simple questions, " Have you ever been hypnotized before?" What do you think it will feel like?? How will you know you have been hypnotized?" All three presuppose hypnosis will occur and the last two require them to basically self induce to answer, so the person is ready when I ask for permission. Other than that, you need to be confident it will happen because if you don't believe, they won't believe.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about in the Mall or on the street, not a hypnotherapy situation.

Confidence is key and you seem confident enough to use them as re inductions, so obviously you know they work....
maybe if you started looking at the pretalk as sort of a "soft" induction. I think of my pretalk as a mildly hypnotic induction, it opens the door, puts them in a mild trance and the rapid induction is really more of a rapid deepener. I guess that's why I like the "tense and relax" types of rapid inductions because they double as deepeners. I see the "instant" inductions as more of a confusion style, they work because you combine several of Tebbett's induction types... confusion,shock, off balance and eye fixation.

As long as you can explain how they work to yourself in a way that makes you truly believe they work, then you will have confidence that they will work.

imho

Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on May 2, 2010 at 6:37pm

Setting the tone before performing a Speed-Trance induction, is quite often establishing within an individual's mind You are about to hypnotize, what will happen to them, and what the result is going to be. In other words, it begins to set up what is necessary to get the job done quickly and effectively. I have done this thousands of times from ice cold start, and what I say, "you will stare at my finger and your head will drop down. . . " that is more than likely what is going to happen. It also helps to realize, that in my mind before I use an induction that will take a fraction of the second, in my reality, they already hypnotize, and in a moment or two, their reality will catch up to mine.
I hope that helps.

Permalink Reply by Michael Mayo on May 4, 2010 at 4:02pm

Hi John, thanks for your reply. I had not thought of it quite like that. thanks, have a great day.
Michael

John Cerbone - The Trance-Master said:

Setting the tone before performing a Speed-Trance induction, is quite often establishing within an individual's mind You are about to hypnotize, what will happen to them, and what the result is going to be. In other words, it begins to set up what is necessary to get the job done quickly and effectively. I have done this thousands of times from ice cold start, and what I say, "you will stare at my finger and your head will drop down. . . " that is more than likely what is going to happen. It also helps to realize, that in my mind before I use an induction that will take a fraction of the second, in my reality, they already hypnotize, and in a moment or two, their reality will catch up to mine.
I hope that helps.

Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on May 4, 2010 at 5:01pm

My pleasure!

Permalink Reply by Leshem Yosef on May 4, 2010 at 9:40pm

Some things we need to accomplish from experience
Like trance Zen
Thank you John


John Cerbone - The Trance-Master said:

Setting the tone before performing a Speed-Trance induction, is quite often establishing within an individual's mind You are about to hypnotize, what will happen to them, and what the result is going to be. In other words, it begins to set up what is necessary to get the job done quickly and effectively. I have done this thousands of times from ice cold start, and what I say, "you will stare at my finger and your head will drop down. . . " that is more than likely what is going to happen. It also helps to realize, that in my mind before I use an induction that will take a fraction of the second, in my reality, they already hypnotize, and in a moment or two, their reality will catch up to mine.
I hope that helps.

Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on May 5, 2010 at 11:28am

Once again, my pleasure Lesham!

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