Speed Induction Compatibility

Lately I've been experimenting with speed inductions mainly through Cerbone's techniques (huge fan by the way). However, I have found that speed inductions either succeed or fail miserably. I do know some people have an easier time reaching a trance state than others, but what kind of people would they be?

Are there any tests I could do beforehand to test whether they are highly susceptible (similar to the hands glued together test for normal hypnosis)?

Does speed induction require a specific mindset which can be reached with a pre-induction talk?

Hopefully this discussion can compile different people's findings and results.

Tags: Cerbone, Induction, Speed, Susceptible, Tests, compatibility

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Permalink Reply by Hao Qui Wu on November 19, 2010 at 11:04am

Here are the general trends I've found (bear in mind that I am extremely new at this, but I pretty much try new things everyday):

1) The three essential elements to speed induction are Shock, Repetition and Desire. The first two are only in the power of the hypnotist while Desire is up to the subject. If the subject does not want to be hypnotized, the chances of speed induction of working are very slim. This is in contrast to normal induction as Permission takes a much larger role in normal induction methods (although Desire is also a large part of it).

2) I have no found any conclusive tests which can measure how susceptible people are. The test I use right now is the one done by John Cleesattel here (http://www.hypnothoughts.com/video/experience-hypnosis), and then the people who have the strongest response to that are the ones most susceptible to speed inductions.

3) I have not done any pre-induction talks yet, as I've assumed that the mysterious nature of instant hypnosis is a large part of the Desire to be hypnotized.

Permalink Reply by Joe K Fobes on November 19, 2010 at 12:06pm

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on November 19, 2010 at 12:54pm

Are there any tests I could do beforehand to test whether they are highly susceptible (similar to the hands glued together test for normal hypnosis)?

In addition to traditional suggestibility tests (like clamped hands or arms rising and falling) you can prepare the participant for hypnosis with a "guided meditation", a "visualization" or use of "imagery" (to name a few ways). Also, one of my favorites is utilizing an "eye roll" test. See Trance and Treatment by Spiegel and Spiegel for details.

Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on November 19, 2010 at 5:43pm

Don't think of those as tests . . . if their hands glue together and are stuck then they ARE hypnotized. Check the suggestibility sequencing material on the Community's core skills video set.

- Brian

Doc Regal said:

Are there any tests I could do beforehand to test whether they are highly susceptible (similar to the hands glued together test for normal hypnosis)?

In addition to traditional suggestibility tests (like clamped hands or arms rising and falling) you can prepare the participant for hypnosis with a "guided meditation", a "visualization" or use of "imagery" (to name a few ways). Also, one of my favorites is utilizing an "eye roll" test. See Trance and Treatment by Spiegel and Spiegel for details.

Permalink Reply by Hao Qui Wu on November 20, 2010 at 1:35am

@Joe
Thank you! I was looking for something like this.
And that would be an enormous help. I'll probably just bug you once in awhile and ask a few questions, if you don't mind me taking you up on that offer :].

@Doc Regal
Is pre-meditation or similar deepening processes necessary for speed trance to occur? I am familliar with the eye roll test, I'll test it out over the next couple days and post my results here.

@Brian
I've looked for the core skill video set but cannot find it. It'd be very helpful if you could post a link to it, if it's not too much trouble.

Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on November 20, 2010 at 2:08am

The Core Skills video set is free on the Community at http://trancesociety.net/community . . . under Groups choose the "core skills" group and all 100 videos are there. This is an online version of my complete core skills DVD set which does include speed inductions along with all the other core hypnosis skills.

Alternatively, you can purchase the DVDs from my webpages at http://www.briandavidphillips.com.

I see you're in Japan . . . we're doing a seminar in Stage and Speed Hypnosis in Hong Kong in February which you might consider (http://www.briandavidphillips.com/training/hkspeedstage.html), we do have a couple students planning to come in from Japan. While we've done a workshop there, this is the first time we will be doing a full seminar in Hong Kong.

On the Community, there is also a special video archive group that currently has fifteen different hypnodrunk techniques explained and demonstrated as well as a robust audio archive.

Honestly, I suspect that you're going to find that your failure and success rate with speed inductions is not out of line with your success or failure with other types of inductions. One thing with starting with a speed inductions is that if you find you need more deepening you can immediately slip into another process without disturbing the session or telegraphing failure (one common reason people fail is they are telegraphing to their trance partner that they don't have complete confidence in their technique). Yes, there are signs for suggestibility levels . . . in addition to what is typically taught in a course . . . for most folks extensive experience increases their sensitivity to this . . . of course, with instruction one jumpstarts that ability. I know that I have much more confidence working with folks now than I did when I started oh so many years ago and I know that with most folks all will go well and that with some I can spot that they're gifted and I can start having the "real" fun with them quickly and effectively . . . and I can usually tell when I've got a low responder fairly early on so that I switch out to something a bit more appropriate to them.

Brian
http://www.briandavidphillips.com

Hao Qui Wu said:

@Brian
I've looked for the core skill video set but cannot find it. It'd be very helpful if you could post a link to it, if it's not too much trouble.

Permalink Reply by Hao Qui Wu on November 20, 2010 at 6:01am

@Brian
Wow I've done nothing other than going through those core skill videos for past 2 hours or so. They have been an absolute gold mine of information and have given me confirmation on a lot of my results, as well as new tools to test out. Thank you so much for making those videos.

You sir, have just made yourself a new fan.

Permalink Reply by Brian David Phillips on November 20, 2010 at 6:20am

Glad to hear it. The material is very solid and we put a LOT of work and effort into them.

- Brian

Hao Qui Wu said:

@Brian
Wow I've done nothing other than going through those core skill videos for past 2 hours or so. They have been an absolute gold mine of information and have given me confirmation on a lot of my results, as well as new tools to test out. Thank you so much for making those videos.

You sir, have just made yourself a new fan.

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Permalink Reply by docregal.com on November 20, 2010 at 6:07pm

Does speed trance require pre-meditation or are similar deepening processes needed? Prior experience with hypnotic frames is helpful, however no, I believe it is not essential.

What is necessary for speed trance to occur? The participant simply must be ready, willing and able to submit to an instant or rapid induction.

Permalink Reply by Hao Qui Wu on November 21, 2010 at 3:25pm

Doc Regal said:

Does speed trance require pre-meditation or are similar deepening processes needed? Prior experience with hypnotic frames is helpful, however no, I believe it is not essential.

What is necessary for speed trance to occur? The participant simply must be ready, willing and able to submit to an instant or rapid induction.

Could you elaborate on the "hypnotic frames"? Does the participant merely need to know what it feels like to be in a trance, or is there a specific mindset he/she has to have, depending on the technique being used?

Permalink Reply by docregal.com on November 21, 2010 at 5:38pm

Hao, during the pre-talk everything is set up for success with hypnosis, i.e. the participant is informed. By frame, I am referring to the basic structure that supports the hypnotic concept.