Speed Trance Deepening Question

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Permalink Reply by M. J. Woo on June 1, 2010 at 9:13pm

Actually I've been having similar troubles.

Permalink Reply by Carrol McHenry Jr on June 2, 2010 at 4:11am

Actually the quickest way to deepen them is bring them out and put them right back in! Each time you bring them out to do a "trick", and then put them back in, they will go deeper, so do simple tricks first, feet stuck to the floor, unbendable arm... then the next round do amnesia and each round they go deeper allowing you to get into deeper "tricks" (hallucinating famous people etc). When I put someone in, I use an anchor that was taught to me at HMI.. ".....(induction) ...go into a, DEEP sleep, Now, allow yourself to just drift deeper and deeper, as I explain, that, each and every time I suggest, DEEP sleep, for the purpose of hypnosis, and, with your permission, you will, quickly, easily, and effortlessly, go into a, DEEP sleep, at this level, or perhaps, ten times deeper.... (then I add this) Now, in a moment, I will count from One to Three, and when I do, but not until I do, I want you to come back towards consciousness approximately 25% with each number I count, so when I reach the number Three, you will be approximately 75% in your conscious mind and still 25% in, your unconscious, mind, allowing you to function normally and still have an open path to, your unconscious, mind, so when I suggest, DEEP sleep, you will, quickly, easily and effortlessly go back into a, DEEP sleep, now... Zero, One, Two...50%, and Three, open your eyes...." then I do the first trick... This anchors the trance state to the words "DEEP sleep" and every time I bring them out and put them in they go deeper.

I hope this helps...

Permalink Reply by John Cressman on June 2, 2010 at 4:37am

Jordan,

What are you doing as deepeners immediately after you do the instant induction?

John

Permalink Reply by Jordan Rowe on June 2, 2010 at 7:29am

Thanks C D McHnery I'll have to give that a try.

I tend to drop them down after the instant induction, and follow up with a countdown from 5 to 1, suggesting they are going deeper, more relaxed and more suggestions like that. And I always make sure, I bring them in and out two to three times before I start any "tricks". But they always come up, when a "trick" is suggested and just say "Sorry, I know it's not stuck, or not funny" some won't exactly talk, but will unstick their hands, and just give me a puzzled look.

Permalink Reply by John Cressman on June 2, 2010 at 8:30am

Jordan, do you take them down to the ground? What techniques do you usually use?

Try a nice slow, 10 to 1 count deepener, suggsting that the deeper they go, the better they feel. Also, if they are not on the ground, try rocking them - that acts as a subconscious deepener.

When you start doing tricks, do you start small? I like to start with the eye lock (small muscle catalepsy). You'll be able to gauge right away where they're at. Then, if they open their eyes, you know they are resisting and can make adjustments or move on. But if successful, their eyes remain shut so less chance of them snapping out of it.

Next, I'll do a arm lock (large muscle catalepsy). Again, you can have them lock their arm with their eyes closed. Then, if you want to test for the next level, have them open their eyes and find that they can't bend it.

Remember to shape your suggestions positively with a good reward for them - for instance:

"In a moment, I'm going to ask you to bend you arm but it'll be stiff and rigid, like a piece of steel. In fact, the harder you try to bend it, the more stiff and rigid it becomes. This won't alarm you, in fact, you'll find that not being able to bend your arm is actually funny. The more stiff and rigid and unbendable you arm becomes, the funnier it becomes."

Now that's just a quick summary, but hopefully it shows my point. You've told them what you want, what to expect and you've told them it will be funny - ie. fun. So it's a little bonus for them.

I always like to do that, especially with amnesia, because some people can get very upset when they can't remember their name.

Hopefully that helps.

John

Permalink Reply by Carrol McHenry Jr on June 3, 2010 at 3:59am

There are some people who resist on purpose. They want to prove they can't be hypnotized, or that hypnosis isn't real.... There are a couple of ways to deal with these types during your pretalk. If I'm dealing with one of these people, I explain that I've done this to hundreds if not thousands of people, so I know it works, as long as they follow my simple instructions. In fact, if it doesn't work, it will be more a reflection of their inability to follow instructions, not my capability as a hypnotist.

"If you do exactly what I say, when I say, nothing more and nothing less, then nothing can stop you from, going into a deep hypnotic trance, Now, do you feel that, (touch them), you can follow my simple instructions?"

If they flat out say "You can't hypnotize me" Then I reframe it this way....

You may be right, because, you see, that, the ability to, become hypnotized, is directly proportional to your ability to, focus. Now, If you have any mental defect that causes the inability to focus, say, Down's Syndrome, or Autism, or just a really low IQ... where you are constantly being distracted.... look, balloons!... pretty lady... oooh, I like pickles!!.... then I probably cant hypnotize you, because the fact is, the more brain damaged you are, the more difficult it would be, but, the smarter you are, the easier it is for you to, become hypnotized, Now... do you feel that, (touch them), you are smart enough, to, become hypnotized...

Be confident!! Remember, the stronger frame always wins. If your belief in your ability is stronger than their disbelief, then they will do exactly what you expect them to do.


Jordan Rowe said:

Thanks C D McHnery I'll have to give that a try.

I tend to drop them down after the instant induction, and follow up with a countdown from 5 to 1, suggesting they are going deeper, more relaxed and more suggestions like that. And I always make sure, I bring them in and out two to three times before I start any "tricks". But they always come up, when a "trick" is suggested and just say "Sorry, I know it's not stuck, or not funny" some won't exactly talk, but will unstick their hands, and just give me a puzzled look.

Permalink Reply by John Cressman on June 3, 2010 at 4:18am

I tell people who seem nervous - both in shows and elsewhere - that hypnosis is a consentual state, if they don't want to be hypnotized, nothing I or anyone else says or does will hypnotize them.

True or not, it gives them a sense of control of the situation and I tell people that I will only work with people who WANT to be hypnotized. Honestly, unless it's a therapy situation, it's not worth it - and even then, unless you want to spend hours trying different induction styles to get them under, it's not worth hypnotizing someone who doesn't want to be hypnotized.

I won't insult them, I will simply tell them that the only people who can't be hypnotized are those people who have some sort of mental defect, people with certain psychological disorders and those people who actively resist - for whatever reason - fear, nervousness, etc.

If they aren't hypnotized, it's not my fault - I've hypnotized thousands of people, if they don't want to enjoy it - I'm certainly not going to force them.

As mentioned, be confident when you tell them and simply imply, if they don't go under - it's their own fault, because it probably is unless you are distracted or not doing what you're supposed to.

John

Permalink Reply by Robert M Dunscomb on June 3, 2010 at 4:31am

Not a speed trance situation, but to head off any possible resistance I tell my new
clients that actually there's no such thing as the ability to hypnotize. As human
beings, because we have the power of imagination, we all the ability to be
hypnotized. So hypnosis is not just something I do, it's something that they and
I will do together. All they have to do to become hypnotized is to follow my instructions.
Then I ask "Would you like to do hypnosis with me now?"

Robert

Permalink Reply by Richard Whitbread C.Ht on June 10, 2010 at 5:58pm

I agree with C D McHenry that the snooze effect helps but you can always go old school and do the elevator or staircase as a deepening and keep in mind if they do not want to let go they wont so have a real good pre talk to overload the mind :)

Permalink Reply by Mitchel Heitinga on July 24, 2010 at 11:20am

You can do hypnosis without a formal induction or deepeners. There are some basic steps I follow.

1. Preframing and complience, I like the reply of CD MCHenry about the reframe. I want to create for the person a reality that they want to and will experience hypnosis. More like an environment where they can experience the power of their brain or mind. I look for their complience and reframe as much as neccessary and take away any obstacles or funny thoughts about hypnosis (e.g. controle, only stupid people can be hypnotized, anxiety). A little trick is to ask people whether they are left or right handed. It doesn't matter what hand you pick, they will think it's an important question in the process so it build some expectation which can be useful to build that hypnotic experience.

2. Focus attention and building new reality. I will ask the person to imagine that their hand is stuck an the table (or something like that, focus their attention, even more when you ask them to watch to a specific spot at their hand) and then guide them trought the experience (not-only words but also non-verbally, e.g. facial expression when you demonstrate two fingers are glued together and you can't get this fingers apart from each other) of stuckness and their ability to imagine things. At first I'm speaking about their hand and at some point I'm going to talk about THAT hand (To dissiocate them from their hand so they have less control over it). I'll test their experience, one question could be which part of that hand sticks more to that table. There's alway's a part that sticks more to the table, so you can reïnforce this experience and utilize it and build this experience even more... NOW

3. Hypnotic Phenomena. At some point I will tell them: In a moment, I'm going to ask you to TRY to lift THAT hand from the table, the MORE you TRY IT, the more IT STICKS, the HARDER you TRY it, the HARDER it gets and the more it STICKS (or something like that). Trying presuposes failure, and the more the try something else happens (cause and effect, people like to think in cause and effect and will react to that whether it's true or not at this moment). And there are multiple suggestions about sticking and getting harder.

Timing and good use of analog marking (hypnotic words, suggestions and your voice) are usefull. I personaly like to use language patterns in a high density so their mind will be totally absorb. There's a lot more to tell, I Hope it helps you a little bit further...


Mitchel

Permalink Reply by Jeremiah Junglas on September 19, 2010 at 8:24pm

I have a simple suggestion. Deepen them normally after doing a hand drop (with a staircase, counting, etc.) then bring them out fast and use the hand drop induction again on them, then take them out asap and do the hand drop again. This is very powerful fractionation and, in my experience, can take someone from a light trance to a very deep level of trance in less than 30 seconds.

Try mixing up instant induction, I used Cerbone's butterfly induction after I finished with all the hand drops.

Of course you are also using your voice to deepen them.

Once this is all done you could get them to open their eyes and focus on something, they should go into trance very quickly and easily and to test this bring their arm up and float it around in front of them until it becomes cataleptic, then wait a few seconds and quickly push their arm down while commanding sleep. This method is a bit like sitting them in a bulldozer and driving them straight into trance.

It's a crowd pleaser too, people love to watch you do this to someone :P

Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on December 1, 2010 at 2:14pm

If you look up my videos here, I drop them down, while rocking their bodies and taping them with my finger as a form of deepening, which continues to loosen them up and deepen the Trance state.

Once they are down, it may sound a little something like this:
With every rock of your body and with every tap of my fingers your body is becoming loose and limp, relaxing deeper and further, as you continue to unwind, you are relaxing 58,000 times deeper and further on each and every breath, on each and every heartbeat, on each and every word that I say, on each and every movement of your body, on each and every tap, for the deeper you go the better you feel. Drifting, floating, and dreaming, deeper and further, for the more you let go, the deeper you go, the deeper you go, the more you relax, the more you relax, the better you feel.

Also, fractionation helps. Bring them up and let them know that when they drop down again, they will relax even deeper and further.

In order to do things like to lock them to a chair, or stick their hands together, when conducting a demonstration, it certainly helps to make sure they are super relaxed and deeply responsive through what you've done with them in order to get results. Please take a look at my videos posted here, to get a better idea of how I work.

Further, in some cases, you do not need to bring them completely and trance, to get results, when hosting a demonstration. You can bring them up in Trance, in a fully responsive state, asking them to open their eyes, rather than bringing them out completely, and achieving more response while diminishing resistance. They will then drop down faster, deeper, and quicker, with greater response.

Many who are having difficulty with these techniques, are also giving the subject/volunteer to much time to think. Which brings them out of Trance to a fully conscious state. As I naturally tend to speak quickly, which gives them less time to resist, while hearing each word and thought that I have more subconsciously to get the job done to maximum efficiency.

If you'd like more, you can review the videos I've posted here or see my youtube page at the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/TranceMasterJohn

I hope that helps.
Trance On,
John
Trance-Master.com