The Limitations of Speed Trance

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Permalink Reply by Hugh Cole on November 19, 2009 at 3:04pm

James,
One of the reasons I love the Elman Induction is because it allows you to build a bridge between the "feeling" of fully awake and the feeling of somnambulism. It gives you descrete mileposts that say Trance 1 mi ahead. I have found that once people have traveled that road... with me. Its easier to go it alone and learn self hypnosis. Speed trance is a fun induction you can do preliminary to Elman or later on. Its all fractionation and the more the do it... the more they like it.

Hugh

Permalink Reply by Roch D. Preite on November 20, 2009 at 5:23am

James.

Far be it from me to put words in John's mouth, but I am sure John is not suggesting that Speed Trance is the only worthwhile induction! It has it's place amongst all the other types of inductions that we use. He's simply presenting something that's different than what everybody else does. As the old saying goes there are many ways to skin a cat. Speed Trance has its place, among all the tools in our bag of tricks. In some cases it may be the right choice in others we would obviously want use something else. It's not a question of limitations it a question of using what is going to work best for the client in your office..

What I like about it is the "WOW" factor, and the but sometimes you don't want that, sometimes it"s necessary to be subtle.

Regards,
Roch

Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on November 20, 2009 at 6:42am

James:
I sincerely do believe that Speed-Trance is a good portion of the future of this profession, were at some future time the average hypnotist will not be spending 20 to 25 minutes on an induction procedure. Speed-Trance is excellent for demonstrations, stage-shows, re-induction in a session, for practical use in a second, third, fourth or even beyond sessions as well as lecture/demonstrations and beyond. While perhaps not practical over an audio only phone system, I have also Speed- Tranced people, generally colleagues, via the Skype video Internet phone system, and it is exceptionally useful as well as in emergency crisis situations while about living in the world.

That said, I cannot put my hand near someone's face, for example a on a recording. I can however do that on a video screen as I mentioned.

Self-Hypnosis is an internal process whereby an individual guides themself into a trance-state, and although I'm perfectly capable of putting myself out into a trance state by just a thought, as I have done and demonstrated at some hypnosis conferences, for the average individual, it would be difficult to Speed-Trance oneself. However, once in individual knows the path to their own Trance-state, Speed-Trance style methods for Self-Hypnosis can work, for example one modality might be the snap of one's own fingers, were and individual self-induces instantly or perhaps a with the key word trigger.

When doing a pre-talk it is important for the client or subject to understand although it may eventually appear to be alarming at how fast these procedures work, or as I demonstrated last night in Philadelphia, externally it may seem somewhat violent, even though it isn't, there are gentler versions of doing the techniques that work just as effectively and once an individual has undergone the procedure, they can realize its effectiveness, speed and impact.

So to reiterate Roch's comments, to everything a time, to everything a purpose; the right tool for the right job, a critically important tool for any hypnotist's toolbox.

Permalink Reply by Paul Dennehy (Paul Dee) on November 20, 2009 at 11:40am

James. I agree. In my clinical work I use psychoanalysis and the less time I spend on the induction, the better. By the third session most clients bring themselves to their base level of hypnosis in 30 seconds or less. I stop talking for thirty seconds to allow the process. I've never checked to see if it takes a client less time. Base level may be reached in a fraction of a second or it may take 29.999 seconds. I'm really not interested. I'm more interested in the subsequent work done.Because I work with fear phobias and panic attacks, (And before anyone jumps at suggesting that stage hypnosis.) For example I've had a male client 6 foot four and built like a fortress. He was of a nervous disposition. on his forst induction he was so nervous that during the entire session his heart was visibly palpitating through the fabric of his shirt. His perception of hypnosis was terrifying him. Fair dues, he faced that fear. In session two he went down like a baby and by session three he self induced trance.

The initial fear of hypnosis due to preconceived perceptions can raise people's guard even though they have made an appointment and are sitting in the clinic.

In stage hypnosis there is a different client/hypnotist subconscious relationship. Either one expects to be hypnotised, one expects to be challenged as to their control of self, one expects to be a clown and try fool the hypnotist or one is open and self confident enough to go with the flow.

Neither am I here to diminish Jonh's techniques, whatever works works whether it's a New York minute or a Cork minute.

Permalink Reply by Dany - RenaissanceHypnosis.Co.Uk on January 9, 2010 at 12:56pm

In many ways rapid inductions are the microwave ovens of hypnosis:

Think about it, if you look at the "Rapid vs progressive inductions" and the Conventional oven (formerly known as "oven" vs the microwave oven you will see lots of similarities.

Microwave and Rapid inductions have these things in common:

1 They are both wonderful breakthroughs!
2 The both had people kind of worried initially.
3 They both can make their respective subjects soggy or stiff
3 Some prefer the old methods over them.
4 They both get excellent results!
5 They are being used more and more.
6 The are both great at what they are for and get great results that make them be in mainstream use!

All this being said, you cannot belittle what the conventional oven can do because the microwave is faster...I cannot make "Creme Bruler" look good in the nuke box (if you can let me know) so to me in this instance I cannot use the microwave for this but guess what the conventional is not better for it, I mean seriously I burn the microwave popcorn bag in the conventional every single time I try to cross experiment! ( maybe I should stick to hypnosis!)

In short, like the microwave, rapid inductions will become more and more used but some will prefer the progressive techniques and this does not make one better than then other, they just have different advantages and often your subjects will prefer one over the other and you may too!

These are simple tools and the debate over what is the best will always just end up being which you prefer and you are comfortable with, as it should!

Hope you like my example and yes it is copyrighted material! ;-)

Dany Leblanc Ch, Nlp
RenaissanceHypnosis.Com

Permalink Reply by John Cerbone - The Trance-Master on January 9, 2010 at 3:12pm

Just as different ovens yield different results as needed, based upon desired recipes, so too do different inductions styles have uses based upon desired outcomes. As much as I am known for Speed-Trance, I most generally use more progressive induction modes in a 1st session. I do use different Speed-Trance Inductions to reinduce or in touch up sessions, along with using it in demos, stage shows, street trance, etc. I wouldn't drive a race car to go grocery shopping, although I personally might like to. LOL

Dany of RenaissanceHypnosis.Ca said:

In many ways rapid inductions are the microwave ovens of hypnosis:

Think about it, if you look at the "Rapid vs progressive inductions" and the Conventional oven (formerly known as "oven" vs the microwave oven you will see lots of similarities.

Microwave and Rapid inductions have these things in common:

1 They are both wonderful breakthroughs!
2 The both had people kind of worried initially.
3 They both can make their respective subjects soggy or stiff
3 Some prefer the old methods over them.
4 They both get excellent results!
5 They are being used more and more.
6 The are both great at what they are for and get great results that make them be in mainstream use!

All this being said, you cannot belittle what the conventional oven can do because the microwave is faster...I cannot make "Creme Bruler" look good in the nuke box (if you can let me know) so to me in this instance I cannot use the microwave for this but guess what the conventional is not better for it, I mean seriously I burn the microwave popcorn bag in the conventional every single time I try to cross experiment! ( maybe I should stick to hypnosis!)

In short, like the microwave, rapid inductions will become more and more used but some will prefer the progressive techniques and this does not make one better than then other, they just have different advantages and often your subjects will prefer one over the other and you may too!

These are simple tools and the debate over what is the best will always just end up being which you prefer and you are comfortable with, as it should!

Hope you like my example and yes it is copyrighted material! ;-)

Dany Leblanc Ch, Nlp
RenaissanceHypnosis.Com

Permalink Reply by Dany - RenaissanceHypnosis.Co.Uk on January 9, 2010 at 3:29pm

I think these words are the best to put what I just said in perspective. speed trance is a tool and a great one, my personal favorite inductions to be honest. But as we have said before to each tool its place. I agree 100% with you John!

;-)

Dany

John Cerbone - The Trance-Master said:

Just as different ovens yield different results as needed, based upon desired recipes, so too do different inductions styles, have uses based upon desired outcomes. As much as I am known for Speed-Trance, I most generally more progressive induction modes in a 1st session. I do use different Speed-Trance Inductions to reinduce or in touch up sessions, demos, stage shows, street trance, etc. I wouldn't drive a race car to go grocery shopping, although I personally might like to.

Dany of RenaissanceHypnosis.Ca said:

In many ways rapid inductions are the microwave ovens of hypnosis:

Think about it, if you look at the "Rapid vs progressive inductions" and the Conventional oven (formerly known as "oven" vs the microwave oven you will see lots of similarities.

Microwave and Rapid inductions have these things in common:

1 They are both wonderful breakthroughs!
2 The both had people kind of worried initially.
3 They both can make their respective subjects soggy or stiff
3 Some prefer the old methods over them.
4 They both get excellent results!
5 They are being used more and more.
6 The are both great at what they are for and get great results that make them be in mainstream use!

All this being said, you cannot belittle what the conventional oven can do because the microwave is faster...I cannot make "Creme Bruler" look good in the nuke box (if you can let me know) so to me in this instance I cannot use the microwave for this but guess what the conventional is not better for it, I mean seriously I burn the microwave popcorn bag in the conventional every single time I try to cross experiment! ( maybe I should stick to hypnosis!)

In short, like the microwave, rapid inductions will become more and more used but some will prefer the progressive techniques and this does not make one better than then other, they just have different advantages and often your subjects will prefer one over the other and you may too!

These are simple tools and the debate over what is the best will always just end up being which you prefer and you are comfortable with, as it should!

Hope you like my example and yes it is copyrighted material! ;-)

Dany Leblanc Ch, Nlp
RenaissanceHypnosis.Com