Detraumatize First!

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Comment by Dr. Mike Mandel on August 27, 2010 at 12:05pm

Good one Doc!

...and you can remember...to forget to remember...all you need to forget...

...haven't you?

Comment by docregal.com on August 27, 2010 at 10:31am

But it's only a generalization...and ALL generalizations are bad...
Not being literal has its advantages.

Comment by Dr. Mike Mandel on August 27, 2010 at 6:30am

Hi Kevin,

I agree with you entirely. Naturally, resource states that will permit the client to accept the therapy are essential; even if it's only accomplished through building rapport and pacing their current experience. I'm referring here to massive installations of new behaviors and the integration of resources that will resolve issues.

But it's only a generalization...and ALL generalizations are bad...

Comment by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on August 25, 2010 at 6:24am

Hi Mike, I'm going to be a bit of a "flip flopper" here and go back -slightly- on my 100% agreement with you and make it a 90-95% agreement ;-). After reading your last response to Doc, I realized I had misunderstood exactly what you stated...

I believe it depends on the client and situation. Often I find that building up resources before going anywhere near working with a specific trauma, proves to be most elegant and effective approach. That said, again it depends on the circumstance.

For example with extreme post traumatic stress where a client is simply too overwhelmed with negative emotions to be able to allow him/herself to experience a positive one fully first, I do agree with you 100%.

Other times however, I find that building those resources first-before addressing the trauma-, for example before regressing them via Time Line work or other kinds of regression work of any kind, to be most effective and most pleasurable for my clients and considerably safer as well.

I also find that it makes EFT considerably more effective - when possible- to access the resources of Self Love and even Forgiveness:: so that when they say "Even though I feel this ______ , I deeply and completely love and accept/forgive myself" they have a more solid experience of the exercise and what it means to actually love and forgive themself, as apposed to it just being words.

Again, of course it's always on a case by case basis and as I always like to say, "human beings are the ultimate variable"...

Still, I like your way of thinking... I suspect we both come from the point of view that whatever helps our clients achieve their goals with the least amount of pain and the greatest amount of pleasure and... in the safest way possible... Do it.

Comment by docregal.com on August 25, 2010 at 5:35am

I am in accord then with your work. Well done.

Comment by Dr. Mike Mandel on August 25, 2010 at 3:00am

Hi Doc,

No. What I mean is ensure detraumatization is complete prior to accessing resource states; however that is done.

Mike

Mike

Comment by Dr. Mike Mandel on August 25, 2010 at 2:58am

Thanks Kevin

Comment by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on August 24, 2010 at 9:26pm

In total agreement with your post, and both additional comments, Mike. Especially "Always let the situation dictate the response. Never go in with a plan..."

Welcome to Hypnothoughts...

Kevin

Comment by docregal.com on August 24, 2010 at 6:47pm

As a general rule, if there is retraumatization, it indicates an incomplete detraumatization.

So are you saying to your students that they are to successfully "detraumatize" their clients 100% prior to inducing them into hypnosis?

Comment by Cheryl Westley on August 24, 2010 at 6:00pm

EFT works amazingly well. I continue to be surprised by that method.

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