Successes with or without trance questions

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Comment by Ricky Strode on April 17, 2011 at 4:38pm

The questions:

Do light/no trance hypnotists get results due to them believing they will get results?

 

Not necessarialy. It helps to believe in yourself, but it is not that simple.

Does light/no trance hypnotists get results due to them "selling" expectations to the client?

No.

Does the "experienced hypnotic client" need less or no trance, and one who has never been hypnotized need inductioners/deepeners?

That depends on the person and this is a very limited question.

If so, how, then, does the skeptical new client get results with light/no trance hypnosis?

From someone who has had plenty of practice doing hypnosis in the so called light/ no trance hypnosis you speak of. However, I have found that all sessions their is some level of trace if you want to call it that. Its just doing things differently than in traditional hypnosis that is usually taught.

Is light trance or no trance techniques effective for the beginner hypnotist, or just the experienced hypnotist--due to the more experienced hypnos have more confidence and believability in their self/work? If it is just as effective for the beginners, I'd imagine the deep trance wouldn't even be taught anymore.

 

No, deep trance is just as useful. It is only another way of doing the same things. If you want to learn to do this does not mean you will not use deep trance, it is only another way of doing things. It is only another tool. If what you works, then thats fine, it is all your choice anyways. I would ask whoever trained you for a refund.

Comment by John Cleesattel on April 15, 2011 at 11:11am

Just one more thought to add... It matters most what you try and do with light trance. If you try to just use direct suggestion, it's not going to work out that well for you. But if you use guided imagery/NLP based techniques, you will have much more success.

Live from Florence, Italy
John

Comment by docregal.com on April 15, 2011 at 5:38am

Hypnosis instructors---hiding something?

Being realistic, Cindy, as a teacher myself, I'd say that there's just so many details to cover that it's virtually impossible to get all that you need in any particular training program, however most of us strive to give you a great launching pad to build from. The learning is ongoing. And every teacher will teach you something unique. You ultimately have to put it all together for yourself. 

Comment by Roger Moore on April 14, 2011 at 8:57pm

Hi Cindy

Absolutely - you have got to believe in yourself - not in others. Did your instructors really hold themselves out as miracle workers? Remember, if you meet Buddha on the road - kill him!

In my classes I look for subjects who have never been hypnotized before and if they have been, my students know that. Just like with Michael and Scott, the class was told about each individual's prior hypnosis experience. In my basic class I teach the long inductions and deepeners - I think it is foundational information to what we do. In my advance classes, students learn that they can do it differently and begin to develop "their" way. But above all, I teach client-centered approaches - meeting the client where they are.

 

I had a new client this evening who had no previous hypnosis experience. There were lots of issues to sort through in this first session and it took me longer to understand enough pieces of the puzzle. I decided that to do a quick induction and jump into therapy (normally in the first session I do a longer induction) - it really wasn't much more than close your eyes and I told her an Ericksonian type of story. Based on what I observed and her comments at the end - it was a profound session for her. She was in a very different space than when she came in.

 

Sometime privately I'd love to know where you got your training and learn more about what they hid from you - that seems so foreign and counterproductive.

 

I urge you to continue going to classes - I learn so much even from the worst ones I have attended.

 

I fully believe you have it within you - let it grow.

Comment by Graham Old on April 14, 2011 at 9:22am

Great responses from James and Michael.

The only thing I would add is that people often mistake light trances for deep and vice-versa.

 

Graham

www.hypnosisnorthampton.com

Comment by Bill Kennedy on April 14, 2011 at 7:55am

CindyLou,

 

The rapport you have with the client should also be considered.  It may have a bigger effect on the results than trance depth.

Comment by Michael Ellner on April 14, 2011 at 6:36am

Hi Cindy Lou,

 

I believe that there are many members of Hypnothoughts who are trying to make sense of the same questions and I admire you for asking for input. FYI - I view your confusion as the start of something big! --- Good for you!  

 

 

I'm trying to figure out why some hypnotists get amazing results with light/no trance and some can't do much with light/no trance."

 

One possible answer is that the state of the art is within the client and the practitioner and not the trance. This model explains why many hypnotists get amazing results with deep trances and others do not ... as well as explaining why some hypnotists get amazing results with light/no trance and some can't do much with light/no trance. 

 

I recommend that you become a hypnotist who skillfully uses both light and deep trances based on what you feel will work best for the client in front of you and I am happy to help you do that.

 

"Generally in the basic hypnosis class world, instructors teach that you need to have many inductions, deepeners, more deepeners, fractionation, depth testing, etc. Why?"

 

I think it is because many instructors stop seeing clients when they start teaching. These trainers  become very good at teaching what they were taught and what they believe and they see no reason to even think about updating their trainings.  Most certified hypnotists have been taught what can be viewed as "traditional" hypnotic theories and techniques. These models and techniques can be and are quite effective when used by a skilled practitioner. 

 

Most of us who teach "outside the box" have continued to work with clients as well as teach and our theories and practices have evolved because we were/are seeing, hearing and responding to the ever changing worlds that our clients live in. 

 

"If only a light/no state of hypnosis is as effective as any induction-driven hypnosis. In my practice I have experienced that light hypnosis isn't nearly as effective as deep hypnosis. Suggestions just don't seem to take for the long run, as when the client is deep into trance."

 

My guess is that you were trained by an excellent hypnotist who may have unknowingly planted these beliefs based on the conviction of his or her beliefs and you were unknowingly hypnotized.  Just considering that possibility might be all that is necessary to unknowingly de-hypnotize yourself by the end of this post or shortly after wards... 

 

"The questions:

 

Do light/no trance hypnotists get results due to them believing they will get results?"

 

Yes, to a point. The same could be said for deep trance hypnotists.  

 

"Do light/no trance hypnotists get results due to them "'selling' expectations to the client?"

 

Masterful hypnosis practitioners get better results because they are "managing" their clients expectations - whether using light/no trances or using deep trances.

 

"Does the "'experienced hypnotic client"'need less or no trance, and one who has never been hypnotized need inductioners/deepeners?"

 

It depends on the client. --- You could always ask, as you develop your ability to decide on what to do, without thinking about it.  It could be as simple as, "Some clients seem to get better results with light trances and other clients seem to get better results with deeper trances.  What level of trance do you think will work best for you?"  Go with the flow... Whenever a client says that they think a light trance will work best, I am confident that he or she will get amazing results when you use one!

 

"Is light trance or no trance techniques effective for the beginner hypnotist, or just the experienced hypnotist--due to the more experienced hypnos have more confidence and believability in their self/work? If it is just as effective for the beginners, I'd imagine the deep trance wouldn't even be taught anymore."

 

Consider that many people are using light trance - hypnotic techniques like EFT, NLP, Guided Imagery and/or EMDR without being aware they are using hypnosis. Some of these beginners will be very effective from the get-go and others will have to develop these skills and the confidence to use them more effectively.  

 

I recommend developing a resource state that reflects you when you are confident and self-assured and start working with clients in that state of being.  The state of the art is inside you, Cindy Lou.  Connect to it and it will serve you well! 

 

YOU CAN DO IT! 

 

Michael E. @ http://www.nycanxietyhypnosis.com

PS- This discussion might be of interest:

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profiles/blog/show?id=716892%3ABlogPos...

Comment by Jackie Spencer on April 14, 2011 at 5:46am

If this wasn't address in your training I'd take it back to your instructors.  I'm sure they would appreciate the feedback.

Comment by CindyLou on April 14, 2011 at 5:23am

Alright problem #1 solved. Thanks to everyone. James put it best for me to understand. Much appreciated.

Here again is more hypnosis instructors---hiding something. (Not unlike the hundreds of 7 day hypno certification classes to newbies). And that is that they get amazing results by working with experienced hypno clients where depth is obtained easily and believability/expectation is already there. They have taken 75% of the risk of non-accomplishment away, even before they start working with the person.

Why don't these instructors tell us that? Is it an ego thing? "I have the secret to doing what others can't, but I'm not going to tell you what it is. I just want to be the miracle worker in your admiring eyes. I'll tell you it's simple and even show you what I can accomplish, but I know when you go do it, you will most likely fail. That will confirm that I am magnificent."

So we believe what the instructor teaches, go out and emulate the miracle worker, only to fail and be even a worse hypnotist than before the class and blame ourselves because we are not "good enough".

WHEN will I quit believing in others and believe in myself and my ability? Sheesh. NO MORE CLASSES.

Comment by Jackie Spencer on April 13, 2011 at 4:25pm

The variety is necessary because not everyone responds in the same way.  There are some techniques I don't perform well so I'd better know alternatives in case my favorite doesn't work for my client.

 

Expectation is a pretty big factor in the success equation.  Hypnosis can work without expectation, but it will sound something like I knew you couldn't hypnotize me so after our session I just quit smoking on my own.

 

The experienced client may need less ritual to get to deep trance quickly.  We learn by repetition.  If I did the same progressive muscle relaxation for my client every time they came in it would me more like me trying to make them keep their training wheels on when they're ready to race downhill.

 

The experienced hypnotist knows it's the client who does the work, so they don't have to work as hard to make it happen.  The beginner might want to get the client as deep as possible because it really fun and feels good, it's a great convincer, just to be on the safe side.

 

I would be sad if they didn't teach deep trance.  Perish the thought!

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