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Comment by Paul Ridden on August 10, 2010 at 11:21pm

It comes down to client consent. Using covert hypnosis without consent is in my opinion is unethical UNLESS i were to use it when someone was threatening me or about to cause me bodily harm without provocation.

Comment by Jonathan Chase on August 10, 2010 at 4:02am

Hypnosis used covertly is about persuasion and influence.

It's ethics are no more nor less those of the person applying the technique.

Good or bad is relative.

Is for instance just walking up to a girl and throwing her a good pick up line any more wrong if you use Any technique you have learnt?

"Abuse" is of course completely subjective as well.

However the techniques can and do give those who understand them more options and a much better understanding of what they are doing.

It can and does lead to a result in communication.

Everyone does it anyway, just mostly badly.

http://JonathanChase.com

Comment by Joe K Fobes on August 9, 2010 at 5:29pm

Alexx,

You're being too naive.

You can do very very powerful stuff covertly.

Hypnosis is real.

You have a SC.

It runs 99% of your life.

It can be, and is, influenced by others.

Uncomfortable? Yes.

True? Yes.

Once you understand how what you're doing overtly works, making it into a covert thing isn't very difficult. It often has the same power.

Joe

Comment by Alexx D on August 9, 2010 at 3:59pm

Thanks for your reply, my point is that in like the supermarket example, that eagerness might lift the cashier's mood into thinking life isn't so bad after all but I doubt it'd chnge her mind on quitting her job to go back to school for a much better job even *if* you'd put a suggestion in there somewhere along that line.. am I being too naive?.

Comment by docregal.com on August 9, 2010 at 3:29pm

Alex, the effectiveness of any hypnotic method is reliant upon the skill set of the operator and the eagerness of the participant. All methods can work when the primary principles of induction are applied.

Comment by Alexx D on August 9, 2010 at 1:47pm

Ok, maybe a dumb question but how effective is covert hypnosis.. really?
I mean Scott mentioned the example of the girl in the supermarket.. it seems to me that that would only have an effect one way or another if someone was at a tipping the scales point. and no more effective than someone in a naturally good mood might be. Am I understanding this right that this only works when your mind isn't really made up yet one way or another?
The same goes for advertising. We get bombarded by it and apparently it is helping or companies wouldn't pay money to make the commercials but as a rule I still avoid brandname products.No "Hmm hmm good" add is going to make me run to any fast food place though it might influence where I go if I was running somewhere and had no idea where to go. One on one. in person, I could see covert hypnosis working and possibly be able to change behaviors just like regular hypnosis might (and as such overstepping boundaries), but in a setting such as a supermarket, picking someone up, world domination (ok I'm kidding).. I wonder, without sarcasm, is this really that effective?

Comment by docregal.com on August 9, 2010 at 11:47am

Kathleen, you have a peculiar habit of twisting the text. The words that I used are: "...the prospect needs to be led to a buying decision." The idea that clients are guided to a buying decision is not foreign to me at all. I choose to not be a salesperson, although I have experience in that endeavor as long ago as the 70's. Alternative choice, for example, is a well known technique that is often used to gain compliance.

Comment by Kathleen Hanover on August 9, 2010 at 10:44am

Doc,

I never thought I'd defend the sales profession, but that was before I had two years of sales training. :)

With due respect, salespeople don't make purchase decisions for prospects. If salespeople could sign prospects' P.O.s they'd never have to leave the office.

It is accurate to say that good, professional salespeople use specific communication techniques to guide prospects through a "decision tree" that may or may not end in a sale. It is also true to say that people make purchase decisions emotionally (to move away from pain or towards pleasure) and then justify them rationally.

It's also true that we're all trying to influence each other all the time. I think Scott's hypnothetical is an excellent illustration of when it can be unethical to make decisions on behalf of other adults without their informed consent.

Comment by Hugh Cole on August 9, 2010 at 8:28am

Mark ... simple observation from a somewhat metaphysical discipline ... "If you can't curse You can't bless". Your observations are not about covert hypnosis .... They are about "How you use whatever you think covert hypnosis is". In my experience most of the patter pushing disciplines are about clear and effective communication between Generic Human Beings. There is nothing either bad or good about that.... it is just a skill set. every hypnotist needs in the foundation of his practise. It's how you use it that matters.
I think Scott gave you a very good answer. You might reread that a couple of times to let it soak in.

Hugh Cole
The Pretty Goodest Hypnotist on the Planet

Comment by docregal.com on August 9, 2010 at 7:37am

Scott, your response contains moral significance. Do people have a right to influence others without their direct consent? Is implied consent ever admissible? "Making decisions for the other person" is what salespeople do. Supposedly, their justification is that the prospect needs to be led to a buying decision. How do you respond to that?

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