What is the alternative to regression?

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Comment by Antonio on February 4, 2011 at 3:05am

Kevin that is a complete joke!  A few months I got a threat from one of Tad and Matt's students on www.hypnosisforum.com  after I was asking about why Matt and his son were knowingly lying about learning ancient hawaiian secrets from certain lineages.  Recently relatives of the people that they supposedly learned from have been coming out of the woodwork stating other wise.  The gist of the email was that Tad and Matt have powerful lawyers.

 

They are one reason why some of the native hawaiians aka Kanaka Maoli think badly of NLP.  Huna has become so intertwined with NLP.  In my humble opinion Matt and his Son are a bane on society.  Very litigous people that have no morals.

 

Antonio

Comment by CindyLou on February 3, 2011 at 10:48pm

amazing...

Comment by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on February 3, 2011 at 9:42pm

Oh, and the following email sent to me after this one included:

Tad James Co. Administrator said~ "We would like to keep this friendly and not get our lawyers involved :-) "

I do appreciate that he was kind enough to threaten me with a smiley face :-)

-Kevin

 

Comment by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on February 3, 2011 at 9:12pm

Well it appears I have offended someone. 

The following is an email I received just a few minutes ago. I have decided to leave out the name of the sender (although I have left his contact info)- and let you guess.

I just wanted to be fair to the rather upset sender and allow you to hear his side of things.

Enjoy and PLEASE do FEEL FREE to comment :-)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Hey Kevin,

 

How are you today? My name is [removed] and I work at the Tad James Company.  

 

Just wanted to bring to your attention the link below and make you aware that Time Line Therapy® cannot be used as part of your blog due to the fact that it is NOT NLP and it is NOT based on any Time Lines work in NLP – be it by Bandler, Dilts, Andreas or whomever. Unless you have studied Time Line Therapy®, you wouldn’t be able to have a good understanding of the difference.

 

http://www.hypnothoughts.com/profiles/blog/show?id=716892%3ABlogPos...

 

It would be much appreciated if you would kindly remove Time Line Therapy® from your blog as a matter of urgency, although we really do appreciate your endorsement of Time Line Therapy ® and the Basis of Personality Book! Thank you so much, look forward to hearing from you soon.

 

Kind Regards

 

Office Administrator

The Tad James Co. Australia
Phone: +61-2-9221-9221

Comment by Hypnoblonde on February 1, 2011 at 5:46am

Cindy Lou,

Interesting discussion you have started... We all have so many different tools in our box to use with clients. I feel as Bill has mentioned that the success is often based on the relationship we have with the client. That starts with the first phone call we get from the client. During the intake session and reviewing the intake form with them I ask other questions and we talk a lot first. They know that I also do soul path astrology and if I feel there could be something there that would help I bring that in. Having worked with speakers and trainers like Stephen Covey, Morris Massey,  and others, I may bring their materials into the pre trance conversation.  Then in trance I will have a modality in mind but will feel comfortable bringing materials in from other places. I go with my feeling.  Everyone is different and many that I work with require a personalized approach. 

It may even be the conversation before the actual trance that gives them what they need. 

Alice Stacionis CHt

Comment by CindyLou on January 31, 2011 at 4:45pm

Graham,

I just wondered if I was missing something new. Like new, cutting edge techniques that others knew but I didn't. With the responses from my post, I see that that's not the case. We all are skilled at what we do, and do the technique we like best. For some it is one thing, for others it is another. We all are getting results, and whatever we are doing is working for both us and the clients. All the things mentioned I have done to one extent or another, except core transformation. Some are more comfortable for me to do than others. Not that some NLP technique that works great for you isn't good, it is great--for you. But I'm not comfortable with using that techinque, so I'll stick with what I know. I just wondered why there seemed to be *nearly* arguments on this board whenever someone talks regression. It seems to be a trigger word for some... I got my question answered. Thank you all.

CindyLou

Comment by Kevin Cole-NLPTrainingQuest.com on January 31, 2011 at 4:26pm

@ Graham- that's fair- and accurate. I was referring to the actual word "Time Line" being used in the same manner that you described, but I agree with your point that the way the word "Time Line" has been used in NLP does have it's roots from Erickson- and many before him. I've just never heard about the actual word "Time Line" being used in the same sense we are referring to any earlier than Bandler & Grinder and that's where my beef with the whole trademarking thing comes from as it has caused many to think the many different NLP Time Line techniques that include the term Time Line in them (and were created before Tad ever even learned NLP) are actually Time Line Therapy™ techniques when they are not. 

Comment by Graham Old on January 31, 2011 at 2:43pm

CindyLou,

I don't really understand your response to the answers you've been given.

Are you saying that you've tried all of them and they're not as good as regression, or at you rejecting them based on a description.

I have to say that there is far more to "future pacing" than the way it is used to ecology-check in NLP and after a regression.

Have you considered that you may simply be very skilled at regression? So, perhaps the reason that you get better results with regression than Parts is because you are better at using regression?

As I said, I have never found anything that I need to use regression for, that I cannot do better with something else. In my understanding of regression, this life or PLR, it is at best a Deep Trance Identification. (Obviously, it's not a real regression, because the past doesn't exist to go into.) There's no reason that a beneficial DTI cannot be done with someone else, or with a future self, just as effectively as with a past self.

Comment by Graham Old on January 31, 2011 at 2:38pm

Hi Kevin,

James says in the Dedication to 'The Basis of Personality':

'To Milton Erickson Who Knew This Long Before We Did,'

As you know, Erickson did a lot of work and research with "Pseudo-orientation in Time". It's from his work that I believe Solution-focused Brief Therapy and TLT derive.

As an example, in 'Practical Applications of Medical and Dental Hypnosis', Erickson writes:

"One hypnotic phenomenon can be used to induce another. The movie screen can be employed as an uncovering technique. The patient looks at it, sees his past ... He can look at the screen, lose his own identity, and observe various traumatic experiences that occurred in his own life experience. ..." The client can look at his past and his future in a non-threatening way: "... the patient saw himself at a later age; on another, at a still later age -- all the way from five years of age on up to thirty-two. ... Then he was allowed to set up another screen where he could see himself as he hoped to appear next year. Thus he was led to recognize what he wanted in his future, what was meaningful for him in that future. ... That technique has been called pseudo- orientation into the future. Just as one can orient a patient back to the past, so one can project himself into the future in accordance with his own motivations and desires." (Pp 342- 344)

 

Comment by Bill Kennedy on January 31, 2011 at 10:47am

CindyLou,

 

There is evidence to suggest that the relationship between the client and the therapist is a better predictor of a positive outcome than the actual modality used, and that a significant minority of practitioners use an eclectic blend of modalities when working with clients rather than sticking with a specific modality.

 

I believe asking questions like this one is good professional development and a worthy discussion point among practitioners, but I wouldn't throw out all your experience.  I don't think you will find anything new in Core Transformation either.  It is one practitioner's way of integrating different modalities into one cohesive protocol.  I just think she did a really good job at setting it up and explaining how to do it.

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