Hypnosis regulation

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Permalink Reply by Erik Blazynski on April 13, 2008 at 6:44pm

Are you a member of the guild? You might want to call them, they should be advocating for you. .

-Erik

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Permalink Reply by Roger Harris on April 14, 2008 at 3:52am

Erik

I'm not a member of the guild.

There is a Chicago businessman and named Art Liedecker. Mr. Liedecker is a Hypnotherapist and teaches hypnosis in the Chicago area. Art tried to set up a school in northern Indiana but he met nothing but resistance from the state hypnosis board. He has been battleing this situation for years and at considerable personal expense. I concluded that if he was unsuccessful then I had no chance.

Roger

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Permalink Reply by JG on April 22, 2008 at 12:08pm

I left Indiana years ago for other reasons. Glad I did now

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Permalink Reply by Woodrow on April 14, 2008 at 4:41am

Roger,

It would seem that the state has to provide or put their stamp of approval on some school if it is to logically regulate the industry. It's plain dumb that they have a law that is so meaningless. The NGH has a union representative and I would contact them with your complaints. I'm sure they are aware of them already because they watch for those things. Also, I would contact your political representatives and lodge a complaint.

At this point, that's about as good as it gets. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was thinking the law stated that you couldn't label yourself as a hypnotherapist, but you could label yourself as a hypnotist. There's a difference and I was thinking they were only regulating the "therapy" part. Do you perhaps have a link to the law?

Peace...

Woodrow

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Permalink Reply by HypnoMedia on April 16, 2008 at 1:31pm

The situation and the legislation here in Indiana is a complete train wreck. There were personalities involved and the result is worse than you can imagine. (I've read the legislation: its completely unworkable.)

I am working with a lady who is on track (hopefully) to getting her school accredited this Spring. (Its a long story how she could do this, and I'm hoping she's able to pull it off.) If/When its ready, I'll inform people, but you can check her website at Midwest Training Institute of Hypnosis.

Roger, what part of Indiana are you in?

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Permalink Reply by Matt McCormick on April 16, 2008 at 4:47pm

I think it's a little strange for hypnosis to be regulated. it is possible for to learn how to do it anyways. the only thing regulations will do is take away a persons chance to get training, which could be bad because they could make bad decisions.

I managed to learn on my own, and I'm defiantly not one of the most intelligent people out there. It's not hard for a person who is desperate enough to find the information they need.

Of course, this is only my opinion, and it may not be correct.


Matt

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Permalink Reply by JG on April 19, 2008 at 3:06am

Roger, I hate to say this, but may be time for a change of venue, bro; even a change of residence to just across the state line, and advertising for Indiana clients. They can't do anything about it.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Nongard - HypnosisGurus.com on April 20, 2008 at 6:12pm

Regulation of hypnosis is impossible, although regulating words is possible. In order to regulate hypnosis, you would have to regulate preachers using religious trance, the PGA pro that teaches focused concentration, the music teacher who does pre-performance breathing exercises, the salesman who uses faked alternatives, the personal empowerment speaker that directs attention, the lab technician who misdirects a patient so a painful proceedure can be accomplished without increasing pain exectancy, etc., etc., etc.
The situation in Indiana is well known, and last I heard the law was subject to sunset provisions. It is interesting how all cower to the law (easy for me to say since I don't reside in Indiana) and nobody ever takes the challenge to court. Of course deep pockets are required for that, but with no provision for compliance, I suppose one could win.
Again, hypnosis will never be regulated, only the words used to represent hypnosis. It is like regulating breathing...

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Permalink Reply by HypnoMedia on April 21, 2008 at 6:57am

I have a copy of the legislation, and I don't see any sunset provisions within it. There may be some legislation that has control over other such legislation but I haven't seen it.

Its a question that I should have my friend at the library research: it his job, after all.

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Permalink Reply by JG on April 22, 2008 at 12:11pm

I imagine they make all the disclaimers and exceptions for psychiatrists and psychologists tho.. Typical grandfathering.. of legislation, that is

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on April 21, 2008 at 7:36pm

The courts REFUSED to HEAR the case against the law from what I understand.

One cannot challenge in court what the court will not place on the docket.

Hence this abomination (and I use the word in its exact sense) of a law, still sits on the books and, as far as I know, does not have a sunset clause to it at all. It's there until modified or repealed.

The big problem is the Catch-22 that the law has created - one cannot be a Licensed Hypnotist in Indiana without having graduated from a State Licensed Hypnosis School. The ONLY such school was shut down BY the State for a conflict of interests (the owner of the school was MARRIED to the HEAD of the State Hypnosis Certification and Licensing Board - a similar situation to what is starting up with Performers of the US and insurance coverage for stage hypnotists, I hasten to add).

No OTHER school(s) can be STARTED without someone first being LICENSED to DO so, which requires further licensing and training from a State Licensed school.

NO such school exists, hence, no new schools can be approved and no new hypnotists can be licensed and, as the State Licensing Board has also been dissolved, there is yet ANOTHER problem on the horizon as well...

Indiana, the State that tried to legislate the mathematical value of Pi as being equal to THREE!

Gotta love those folks!

Lee Darrow, C.H.

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Permalink Reply by JG on April 22, 2008 at 11:59am

I am no longer a member in good standing (IE, I let my dues lapse) of the NGH. Why didn't they take this one on by the horns..? Very poor precedent to set. They make such a big deal about how active they are in the legal aspects of hypnosis

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