What is "Spirit Releasement Therapy"?

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Permalink Reply by Jill Semonin on August 29, 2008 at 2:42am

Thanks Doreen,

I think this was a needed discussion. I do feel there are many misconceptions about this topic and it was covered quite well.

I also feel unless one experiences such a phenomena, they just wouldn't ever accept it as anything true, which is why it's method is only used per request, or with caution.

I think this was a good debate and had strong points on both ways. at least I can understand valid points both ways.

Thank you to all that contributed.

I also don't think it's a hot button, but perhaps a hot topic (smile). A topic that some cannot digest while others live it. Controversy will always happen when religion or spirituality is brought into the picture.

We cannot see love, but we can feel it.... but can we PROVE it exists? Not really.
We just have to have faith that it exists.

Jill Semonin

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Permalink Reply by Woodrow on August 29, 2008 at 4:10am

Bruce,

I'm glad you brought the topic up. And yes, there's lots of information to digest. But, it's pretty simple. There are proponents and opponents of this kind of hypnosis practice. If you encounter this in your practice I believe you will know it when you see it. Don't go looking for it, but don't discount it either. Be open to the possibilities on both sides. In the end, it doesn't matter if it's real or not. Use it to heal the client.

Though I differ in my opinion from other hypnotists, I assure you that I have no animosity towards others or agenda in my views. I have my own experiences and I don't need others to validate that.

Woody

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Permalink Reply by Robert A Roberts on August 29, 2008 at 6:33am

Bruce
I hope that these discussions may have given you a little insight as to what spirit releasement is. It seems that it is hotter than the Thai chilies. Contrary to what some of the novice hypnotists on this site may think or believe I myself have found that it is real and sooner or later you will encounter it in your practice. I have found that if you incorporate it with some of the other modalities that your client will have greater success in achieving their desired goal. By the way, my water drinking client has returned back to normal. To me this is the bottom line.

Bob Roberts

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Permalink Reply by Katherine Zimmerman on August 29, 2008 at 7:41am

Good point, Woody. I don't care if it's real or not. In fact, sometimes my clients are upset after the session so I talk to them about it being a shadow self that was no longer serving the client. They DO make some amazing changes after the release.

I agree with Roy Hunter in that I don't look for entities but if they appear I do want to know how to deal with them. As Roy mentioned, they show up on occasion during a parts therapy session. The first time it happened I asked the part it's name and the response was quite startling. I "knew" that I was no longer speaking with my client. This "part" refused to talk to me. I kept talking and did have a conversation and facilitated a release. Because it can show up, I teach a bit of spirit release as part of my parts therapy weekend.

I've also experienced spirit release as the client and although I felt as if I was making it up (and maybe I was) I did feel much better afterward.

Katherine Zimmerman
www.trancetime.com

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on August 29, 2008 at 8:49am

I hate to be the wet blanket in this discussion, but, to the rational, scientific community - the ones who are trying to legislate us out of business - this is exactly the kind of ammunition they are looking for to do it with.

Whether or not we, or our clients, believe in spirit possession, communication or whatever, there is little to no scientific proof that such things exist and that's what will be brought forward in court should one of us get hauled up on charges for attempting to scam the public under the myriad of bunco laws that exist around the country. Florida, in particular, is very aggressive in prosecuting anything having to do with psychic anything unless the practitioner has followed some very draconian and expensive licensing laws. Illinois isn't far behind and New York City is famous for such prosecution.

With the ASCH, and others, breathing down our necks on the legislative front, doesn't it seem more reasonable to take the tack that someone coming to us presenting spiritual issues be referred to clergy, especially clergy that does hypnotherapy under the mantle of a legitimate Church, instead of increasing our risk, as both individual therapists and as a profession, of prosecution as bunco artists?

Respectfully,

Lee Darrow, C.H.
www.stagehypnosissafetyclass.com

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Permalink Reply by Robert A Roberts on August 29, 2008 at 9:35am

Lee I don't want to "beat a dead horse" so to say, but since I enncountered may first possesion experience back in 1981 it has more than peeked my curiosity as to why and how it could happen. I did tape two of the sessions and the possesing entity was known to me and the living person when he was alive. I was able to get a voice tape that the deceased person made when he was alive. I was able to have one of the physics professors at The Ohio State University analize both tapes and we had a match. As far as going in front of a judge I have used this procedure as warrented on a state supreme court judge, as well as municipal court judges, and also a state senator. As far as the bunko artists go, look at those who use this tool for entertainment and who have no use to actually help people. This is just my opinion. Bob Roberts

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Permalink Reply by Serge Joseph Grandbois on August 29, 2008 at 12:49pm

Wow.. so many and varied responses, all interesting!

I do find some responses somewhat amusing, as in eye-brow lifting.. a bit. :-)

For one, my quoting John Kappas is seen as anti-spiritual... can't even comment on that one!

Also, the statement that since I do PLR, and not specifically give concern for SA, or spirit release that I might be in contradiction with myself. Actually, I view PLR as something entirely different.

I prefer to view all reality that we interact with in terms of sense function as perception only. To me it means that all my experiences as well as those of my clients (and every one else in the world) are metaphorical or allegorical to our inner actions/perceptions, projected outwardly onto what we call 'Reality" as perceived through our senses.

The outer or physical world I experience is then a confirmation of my own perceptions (beliefs) as varied as they are, including this lovely discussion.

I also understand the vast creative qualities of the psyche (or Self) and its needs to express itself in line with the clients own perceptions (conscious OR unconscious - no difference to the psyche or unconscious, or as a friend recently baptized it as the neo-conscious mind) - so even unconsciously a client will dramatize in line with his/her perceptions (conscious or unconscious).

In other words the client though his/her beliefs (perceptions) creates his/her experiences.

I also understand that the SELF is a truly complex and majestic action of consciousness, itself composed of nations or civilizations of selves (Aspects), of which the focus or client is one expression of these many Aspects.

In terms of Past Life work for example, I first make sure the client is the one seeking this experience as I will not ever even mention it unless they do, always at their instigation. Secondly, I also then make sure in that context that the client understands and appreciates their own unique and vast capacity for meaning and purpose and for creating resources, even in ways that might not fit the 'official line of consciousness', which may include some other Aspects of their own Self that may potentially reach outside the accepted views of time and space (in view of past lives as yet other metaphorical Aspects).

I only do PLR work with the aim of looking for resources and purposes that may not fit into the prevalent views that even the client may hold. So.. PLR is not to look for blocks or sources of traditional karmic sins and so on, but for resources that the Psyche has dramatized in this way, since the client has asked about it, even if sometimes I stay within the clients views and gradually assist in expanding them so they too continue to develop powerful resources instead of perpetuating victim-hood, or being at the mercy of past life transgressions (or spirits), imagined or not.

From my own work (3 decades of it) presently understood spirit attachments philosophies are not about creating resources. On the other hand, I also know that it can be made into a resource of self-empowerment if and when Aspects are seen in a different light.

A reason was given to explain spirit attachment: "Not Feeling Myself today", is literally understood to mean that the client is suddenly spirit attached. There could be other reasons for this as well... but the idea that a therapist would then hypnotize the client and ask if there is a spirit attachment may and will likely create that perception and the rest is self-fulfilled.

However, it may also mean that the client is psychologically moving through a different atmosphere (within Self) and thus a different Aspect of the client is making itself known through feeling and/or emotions or both, and simply because it may feel different and perhaps even slightly uncomfortable at that time for the client, and client will start to fight themselves, and that where the problems begin.

Everything the client experiences the client has creates consciously or otherwise, and it all has meaning and purpose, just because we are meaningful beings, and our own reasons for being are purposeful, not meaningless or without specific purpose as we are taught that all life is ultimately without specific purpose according to Darwinian or other scientific theories.

The client also knows, though sometimes they consciously block the info at the conscious level, but the client knows the reasons for the communications they are giving themselves, even through something like these scenarios which may become distorted as spirit attachments.

I always understand that if I take it all at face value and never ever question the client for deeper reasons as to why they might be creating a dramatization, the client will continue to perceive themselves as without true resources and dis-empowered to take control of their own lives and continue to depend on others to help them, they will continue to depend on crutches instead of walking and running on their own steam.

So.. what does all this mean?

I am not anti-spiritual... quite the contrary.

Also, its about nested layers of self and meaning and purpose and empowerment. A client may not realize they are pushing on a closed door and assume they are being limited at that point in time. However, often the door won't open because it has to be "pulled" open, and when that realization hits home, client suddenly discovers they have more resources at their disposal than they ever thought they had.

To me this is about empowerment and awareness, not about providing relief for an emotional trauma simply because client is afraid to pull a splinter from their finger. What's the purpose of pretending the splinter is not a splinter and accommodating the game when they themselves know what they are creating but may not want to know, know what I mean?

Making the client feel safe and nurtured so they drop the masks and rise to the opportunity to remove the splinter once and for all is more what I feel I am about.

For instance I has a client see me to help with her procrastination. I saw her for four sessions, during the course of which we explored reasons why she was creating resistance to move into a bigger salary and self employment with more clients and higher business profile.

I could have stayed with the original request, but using her own words and language as well as asking a few seemingly innocent questions, she uncovered emotional baggage that stemmed from her childhood regarding women being quiet and in the background, never outspoken and all that.

Uncovering all these perceptions helped her break down so many barriers, mostly that she had thought were limitations but now they are resources of strength for her to the point that she knows who she was, but who she is now is what she wanted all along.

Again I could have stayed put and she might have felt better about her procrastination issues, but now she has a wold of adventures opening up for her, and she did the work, I only asked questions.

So... that's where I stand, and I appreciate all the responses, helped me as well they did.

Cheers

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on August 31, 2008 at 9:59pm

Bob, please understand that my comments were not about any specific individual or their practice. My concern was, and still is, the general perception of the public about such things as spirit possession (a very controversial issue in many areas) and the laws that deal with public fraud, especially the so-called anti-spiritualist laws, which many states have and which an unsuspecting practitioner could run afoul of if they are not careful.

You seem to be very careful and highly professional in your approach to this controversial modality. Others that I have personally witnessed are far from being so circumspect and scientific in their handling of such cases and, in my professional opinion, run the risk of prosecution under these admittedly draconian laws.

However, the fact remains that these laws are on the books in a number of states and municipalities, the fines and the jail sentences that are the penalties attached to them can be quite onerous, if not downright nasty.

Unfortunately, all of the anecdotal evidence in the world is not going to overturn an existing law in a case that is being prosecuted under that law. The law would have to be repealed, or proof shown in the case at hand, beyond a shadow of a doubt (the legal standard in a criminal case), that the matter under the court's scrutiny was one of spirit possession. And most hypnotherapists are simply not equipped to provide that level of proof - which would involve much more than audio recordings, from what I have been told by my legal advisers.

I do not want to see anyone run afoul of those laws, which was the point of my post. My apologies for any misunderstanding on that point.

Lastly, with regard to entertainment hypnosis - as has been mentioned by those far more honored in the profession than I - without stage hypnosis, hypnosis as a profession would have died out over fifty years ago because of a lack of trained professionals to perform the modality (no university programs currently offer degrees in hypnosis) and there would be no active public interest IN hypnosis without it, either.

Here's why: in a recent survey on another board, over 60% of all of the hypnotists and subjects subscribing (well over 900) stated that their initial interest in hypnosis started with an exposure to a stage hypnosis show either in real life or on TV.

I believe that would put the stage hypnotist in the category of those who provide a public informational and educational service, as opposed to being those who "have no use to actually help people." They are also the people who "walk point" at the forefront of marketing for all hypnotists. Some do a superb job, some do not, as in any profession.

So let's agree to disagree on the stage hypnosis point and drive on from there, shall we?

Respectfully,

Lee Darrow, C.H.
www.stagehypnosissafetyclass.com

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Permalink Reply by Robert A Roberts on September 3, 2008 at 6:26am

Lee we can agree to disagree however there is a stage hypnotist who is on the comedy club circuit who says he is an exconvict,has no formal training in hypnosis[he said he learned while watching a stage hypnotist] and he has a downright crude act. This is not the type of individual who I would want to "walk point" for me or any of the students I teach. As far as ANY organization or group who come into my state [Ohio] and try to pass any laws or restictions I suggest that they go elsewhere. I was able to get hypnosis schools registered with the state board of Career Colleges and Schools back in 1990. I had to get numerous boards to sign off , medical board, psychology board, etc. so that we could actually practice hypnosis. Respectfully, Bob Roberts

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Permalink Reply by Lee Darrow on September 3, 2008 at 10:25am

Bob, there are morons and even criminals in every field. Look at the former Man of the Year for the American Psychiatric Association and the problems he got himself into over the whole "satanic multigenerational criminal abuse conspiracy" issue a few years ago. He lost a law suit brought by a patient based on patient abuse (they settled, eventually for a large sum) and he was hauled up in disciplinary charges in front of the medical board, almost losing his license to practice. I can cite numerous cases far worse, where doctors, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have been sentenced to jail for everything from patient abuse to murder.

One bad apple does not ruin the lot in the hypnosis profession any more than one bad doctor can destroy the medical profession.

However, one bad apple, when coupled with an election year and a legislator with an ax to grind can cause us no end of problems. So can our own people! See Indiana for a perfect example of what a power-grabbing individual can do to what would have been a reasonable legislative action.

Unfortunately, in such a case, the "suggestions" from one practitioner of our profession to a legislator who believes that he or she is on a crusade to "protect the people" of his or her State is not going to have much, if any effect as far as stopping that crusade.

As someone once said - it takes mass action, not mass debating.

Kudos for your work on behalf of the profession in Ohio. But I would prefer that we stand together against such people as you note, as opposed to squabbling with each other when we are really on the same side.

Lee Darrow, C.H.
www.stagehypnosissafetyclass.com
"The Stage Hypnosis Safety Guy"

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Permalink Reply by Robert A Roberts on September 3, 2008 at 11:25am

Okay Lee, no squabbling.,as you and I do our best to portray hypnosis in its most positive light . Bob Roberts

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Permalink Reply by bruce on August 29, 2008 at 6:47pm

Thanks everybody, I think this discussion has been important, and there will probably be more like it in the future. I've had a great response, however I think it's time to close this particular discussion.

-Peace

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